Understanding the Unthinkable: Scott Ritter Discusses Crocus City Hall Terror
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hello and welcome back to another episode of the DD geopolitics podcast I am your host Sarah and I am here with4:54
the wonderful good friend of the show Scott Ritter Scott how are you today5:01
well I was doing okay till you till you played that song yeah um5:08
just so our listeners know um the that song in the cranes are sort are being5:15
kind of uh utilized as the symbols of this uh the massacre that occurred over5:21
the weekend um that's what we're here to talk about today um while we kind of get5:27
ourselves together we're going to play a recap for you guys it's just three minutes so you guys are caught up with all the events of the of the um attack5:36
up to today and then we'll we'll get started uptick these these terrorist5:41
attacks now we have another one in Moscow I don't know if you see the breaking news no I haven't krois city5:47
hall music venue in Moscow there's been a shooting three people in camouflage5:52
open wi open fire there are wounded according to Ria and our listeners are5:57
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Vladimir Putin is already trying to link this to Ukraine and say that Ukraine is responsible does the US have any7:59
evidence to back that up no there is no whatsoever any evidence and in fact what8:05
we know to be the case is that Isis K is actually by all accounts responsible for8:10
what happened uh Mr Putin's going to get some nice Surprises with this money Ukraine will8:18
be able to fight back in the East but it will also be able to accelerate the8:24
asymmetric Warfare that has been most effective on the battlefield when8:29
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so Scott just to um you just came back recently from a really um emotional and8:54
cathartic trip from Russia um what was the how what are your thoughts um over9:00
the uh the attack over the weekend well first of all let's explain9:06
that song a little bit more um it was written by a a dastani poet uh after he9:12
visited hirosima and he uh he met a a a young Japanese9:19
girl um who had uh created a paper you know the origami cranes white cranes and9:28
um so he wrote a poem that linked the9:33
the the visual of cranes to um to victims the innocent victims of war but9:39
all victims and and the poem began because it's a it's a poem that resonates with uh people of the military9:45
background because he he talks about the soldiers that uh didn't return9:55
from you the battlefield and uh he says sometimes10:00
envisions them you know as cranes flying home so10:07
in Russia this song I think resonates10:14
deeply because it uh you know it it brings the victims to life they they just aren't forgotten people they're10:20
there with you and that's one of the things I learned in traveling to Russia my the last time is just how much U10:26
history and the painful history of Russia resonates with the Russian people you know we talk about the Russian Soul10:32
um in America I keep trying to explain it to people I say you know the Russian Soul I'm on a search of the Russian soul10:38
and they're like rolling their eyes going what the hell's he off talking again about the Russian Soul um because10:45
we don't have that shared history of suffering that the Russians do because the Russian Soul it's a wonderful thing10:51
but it's a it's something that is grounded in you know a millennium of suffering of pain and uh especially you10:58
know World War II I I was struck by how every Russian I met talked about you11:04
know looking up at the stars at night and they don't see stars they they see the the eyes of their relatives staring11:12
down at them holding them accountable for what was done in their name and um11:17
and so I I I think it's important to talk about that because you know you can get caught up in the superficiality of11:24
Russia just like anywhere else and what I mean by that I don't mean that mean but it's a beautiful place11:29
I mean you get off get you get into Moscow it's a beautiful city and you're you're struck by you know how clean it11:36
is how modern it is um and when I say superficial I don't mean that in a bad11:41
way I'm just saying that you're looking at that as sort of the way Americans would look at it you know we're we're11:46
driven by you know wealth and we're driven by Beauty and we're driven by things so you go to Moscow and you're11:52
going man what a beautiful city uh and then you see the Russian people and I11:59
mean they're beautiful people but I have to tell you um they a't easy to crack into um they they they walk down the12:06
street in America I mean and I noticed about it because Russians make fun of me all the time I just walk around going12:12
hey how you doing they're like why are you asking me how I'm do I don't know I'm just how you doing do you really12:18
want to know I think so um but I'm just sort of throwing it away how you doing how you doing I'm doing great then12:25
you move on but the Russians like you asked me a serious question how am I doing so let me sit down and tell you12:32
how I'm doing and they open their soul and you're like I didn't want that that's not what I meant but then12:37
actually it should have been exactly what you meant because the Russians unless you're willing to do that unless you're willing to sit down and say here12:44
I am this is who I am then it's they they they don't have time for you and I don't mean that in a bad way but it's12:51
it's just like okay I'm gonna get on with the business because so don't ask a Russian how they're doing unless you12:57
really want to know how they're doing uh because that's that's the way the Russians are they're very stoic they're13:03
very stayed um you know you look at them and you can be intimidated by them easily but once you get to know them13:10
once you sit down and you talk to them and they open up what a wonderful people just like Amer I mean Americans are13:15
wonderful we're America we're wonderful right here you know hey how you doing I'm doing good hey what's up man and13:21
we're sincere about it I'm not saying we're insincere we're just we approach it differently because we don't have for13:27
the most part A Thousand Years of suffering weighing down on us we don't have 27 million relatives killed just 8013:35
years ago in a in a in a horrific War um we don't have a history of the world colluding against us you know this isn't13:43
the first time that Russia's been surrounded by enemies they it's happened before again and again and again and so13:49
forgive the Russian people if they take these Millennia of sorrow and pain and13:56
suffering and they bottled It Up Inside and they sayi don't want to share it with you because I don't trust you14:03
enough to share this with you um but once you sit down and you know them they say okay here I am and you find out that14:10
through this suffering is not just pain but joy happiness that they know the14:16
difference between you know good and bad and they know to how to enjoy life man14:22
Russians live like like you've never seen Russians live life they're they're they're pretty cool so um you know14:28
that's that's what I took away from the trip the complexity of Russia there's nothing simple about Russia I hear the14:35
Russians are a simple people oh no they're not ain't nothing simple about a Russian um and they're they're a complex14:43
people and sometimes so complex that it's truly hard to uh to understand14:49
where they're coming from and and and why they do the things they do um and I14:54
think right now you know in America we take a look at this terrorist attack that just took place at the kro City14:59
Hall and a concert venue you know and the American um I mean I I remember 911 I I remember15:07
the morning of 911 when it happened and I remember how my country behaved afterwards uh Insanity just just15:13
straight up Insanity um seeking to blame somebody wrapping ourselves in the flag of patriotism USA you're either with us15:21
or against us we're going to declare war on the world let's March let's do it and15:26
um and then I'm looking at the the the Russian reaction and um again it's15:33
stayed it's more quiet um and and some people might misunderstand that um but I15:41
I think if you've seen some things um you'll know that the Russians take this very seriously um look I'm not a15:49
proponent of torture i' I've condemned U the United States for torture um I'm a marine trained in interrogation and um I15:57
you know I have the per belief based upon professional experience that torture doesn't achieve the results that16:03
you want it to achieve um also as an American I just believe that it's fundamentally wrong so I'm not going to16:09
sit here and condone what the Russians have done to these uh to these prisoners um but I what I will say is16:16
that if you had to push the Russians pretty hard to get them to that point16:23
you know that uh they they aren't a people that that's the first inclination you had to push them pretty hard to get16:29
to the point where they're doing things of this nature um and and so people need to understand the seriousness to which16:35
Russia attaches this attack and what the consequences of this will be um I'm sure16:40
we're going to talk about it so I I'll hold off and wait for questions to respond but um you know the the notion16:46
that this is just another terrorist attack is absurd in the extreme this is16:51
an act of war against Russia yeah I keep trying to stress that to Americans about16:57
what how I could this into context for an American because we have mass shootings every weekend so for us this17:05
is like a once every two or three months occurrence um I'm telling people17:10
Americans this is pretty much a 911 for Russia that's how severe it is I mean this is the worst attack on Russian soil17:17
since bresin which was in 2004 I believe um killing17:24
103 I think so actually this is worse than bresin but I want to get your opion on the at at least the events leading up17:32
to the attack so we had a warning from the United States and then shortly after17:38
that Russia thwarted one one or two attacks is that is that is that true and17:44
then yeah according to the news according to Tess um the Russian FSB did17:50
um did stop some um Isis uh attacks on17:55
which I just want to point out right off the bat um that means Russia knows Isis please18:02
understand that that um Isis is not a foreign concept to them that the Russians are fully aware of who Isis is18:09
and what Isis is and what Isis does so when Russia says that ain't Isis it's18:15
not based upon a lack of under a fundamental misunderstanding of what Isis is no Russia knows Isis they've18:21
been dealing with Isis they forwarded Isis not only have they been dealing with it they're actually renowned for18:27
understanding how to deal with especially Central Asian uh extremism so yeah that's another thing that I kind of18:34
pointed out is that they're familiar with Isis so uh but we'll get to that so then we have Victoria newand she didn't18:41
say that once she said that twice about Putin getting surprises and and asymmetrical Warfare18:49
now when she said asymmetrical Warfare I I I mean I took that kind of she could18:54
have meant that the ukrainians are already The Underdogs but I took it to mean18:59
kind of like this so what what was your interpretation of Nan's uh words this is19:05
prior or just after they announced her retirement and then prior to her retiring so what are what are your19:11
thoughts I think we have to put Nan's uh words into context because when we're going to speak of asymmetrical Warfare19:18
um I mean that's sort of a political term um the military term is irregular19:23
warfare or unconventional warfare these are specific skill sets a specific kind19:28
of uh of of warfare that involves um uh sabotage that means blowing things up uh19:36
it involves assassinations it involves disrupting elections that's one of the19:41
uh the goals and objectives of uh unconventional warfare a political disruption um and the entity in the19:49
United States that is legally tasked with doing this is the cia's um special19:55
activity center it's uh it's authorized under a 1947 law that was uh that20:01
furthered in 1948 and continues to be furthered through a covert action laws20:07
passed in the aftermath of the of the church uh committee um you know uh20:12
investigations of the 1970s that give the president the ability to assign presidential findings that authorize the20:18
CIA to carry out actions like this so when Victoria nuland just the reason why I said that when Victoria Nan stands20:25
there and says you know asymmetrical Warfare does and and she didn't just say it you know I I respect Warriors so if20:34
you're going to sit there and you're going to stare people on the camera and and talk about war and the hardness of War I may be your enemy I may be oppose20:42
you but if you're taking it seriously and you're staring at me take it I'm like okay you take it seriously let's20:47
hook and Jab let's do it she was smiling she was cackling so there you know she's20:53
somebody who really doesn't understand because she doesn't do she lets other do her dirty work she she's the Cookie20:59
Monster went to maidon in 2014 and started a process that led to snipers21:04
killing a 100 people um snipers uh of the side that she supported murdering21:09
those people to have this coup d' talk the CIA has been actively involved21:15
inside Ukraine for decades since 2014 though the special Activities center and21:24
this is important because they're the ones the only ones that do unconventional warfare irregular warfare21:31
the asymmetrical stuff that Nan's talking about they have been engaged with Ukrainian intelligence Services the21:38
G the military intelligence and the sbu the the intelligence uh service to carry21:44
out acts inside Russia they trained the r the ukrainians on the skill sets21:50
necessary to operate um irregular teams21:56
deep Behind Enemy Lines now that's what they call them the Russians would call them terrorist teams because what22:02
they're doing is acts of terrorism acts of violence design designed to achieve a22:08
political game so the CIA special activities ground branch has been22:13
working with the ukrainians to train them in this skill set and they have been doing this there are deep raids22:19
taking place inside Russia that are a result of the training by the CIA uh to22:24
these people um both in terms of drone strikes and ground penetrations teams22:29
that have gone inside uh the CIA has worked with the ukrainians to use social22:35
media like telegram Etc to reach out and recruit people who live inside Russia22:41
who might be susceptible to recruitment to carry out Espionage sabotage Etc a22:47
lot of trains were blown up in Russia uh done by these recruits who are are22:52
already in Russia who then are given the the the training online or through22:59
remote training on how to go out and lay down explosives theyve given the explosives they blow up the explosives23:04
so this has been going on for some time now I also need to point out that the CIA special Activity Center is experts23:12
at creating um you know armies of um of23:18
radicals uh they're the ones who uh helped arm the muah hadine in23:23
Afghanistan they're the ones who created um you know the Iraqi National Congress23:29
uh in in in the effort to get rid of Saddam Hussein they're the ones who23:34
created uh through uh Sycamore Timber Sycamore whatever the23:41
operation was in Syria the the the the the Syrian opposition to include elements of Isis and Al-Qaeda uh they23:48
created an army out of them and they did this they've done the same thing in Afghanistan a secret new Army that is23:56
you know that that that was supposed to prop up their government but it failed my point is that the the special24:02
Activity Center is an expert doing and they did it in Ukraine they created together with Ukrainian intelligence an24:08
army of Russian nationalists who and here's the the important part have invaded Russia I just want to point that24:16
out they invaded Russia 5,000 went across the border in the belgar they didn't get very far they got crushed24:23
beat back but they physically invaded Russia the CIA did this how do you know24:28
the CIA did well first of all it's been admitted second of all the the US Army24:34
is not allowed to train these Russian nationalists it's these these aren't the Ukrainian army they don't have the remit24:40
and yet these Russian nationalists were using us equipment M2 Bradley infantry24:45
fighting vehicles um that they were operating where did they get that training ground branch of the cia's24:52
special Activity Center so my point is the CIA up until early March mid-march24:58
was involved in direct action designed to disrupt the election of the Russian25:04
president um that's the head of the the Russian nationalists Who and the head of Ukrainian uh intelligence said why why25:11
are these guys going into BGR to disrupt the election stated that is a political25:16
goal of the cia's special Action Center political action Branch they have25:22
branches that do everything the CIA is everywhere they do everything that's why they should be disbanded that's a different question my point is so when25:29
we talk about what happened at at the the crocus Center um understand that it25:35
was originally designed and to to take place on March25:40
9th an attack there why March 9th Shaman the uh the the the the the well-known25:45
Russian uh pop singer folk singer um was scheduled and did perform packed to a25:51
packed audience there um and the idea was to attack that to create Havoc to25:58
mind confidence in Vladimir Putin to disrupt the election to make it difficult for Russians to want to go to26:04
the polls to suppress the number of participants the whole works that was the goal of the of the attack that's a26:10
CIA objective by the way I I think people need to understand that the president of the United States has signed a covert finding authorizing the26:18
CIA to use irregular warfare a asymmetric means26:23
to disrupt the election could you imagine I mean you know we got mad at the Russians for doing you know we accus26:29
them of hacking in and getting and leaking information they didn't do that by the way but we accused them of doing26:35
it um and we were enraged what if the Russians were down in Mexico and they26:40
decideed what the hell we're just GNA form a an army of mexican-americans um working with the cartels and we're gonna26:46
send them in um in October and early November just to kill people to blow26:51
things up to disrupt the elections no big deal right we'd say no that's an act of War yeah and Okay so please26:59
understand that America has been working with ukrainians committing acts of War27:05
again we know that Ukraine has an issue with Russia right now derived from the special military operation and one can27:11
say okay you know you want to play adult games you know that's happened Russia sent troops in Ukraine gets to respond27:18
fine but America has no reason to be doing this no legal reason but we are at27:23
war with Russia we have created a private Army and we have sent that Army under Russian soil we have facilitated27:30
the creation of an irregular warfare unit because it is it's trained in military tactics send in to accomplish27:37
this uh political military objective of disruption of Elections this isn't an act of terrorism in terms of Isis same27:44
we want to blow things up in the name of Allah this is a directed attack designed to achieve a political result that has27:50
been ordered by the United States president in a corporate finding to the CIA to achieve this ladies and gentlemen27:56
you know we have to be really careful about the direction that we're heading down right now because you know the28:02
Russians have every right to say you're declaring war on us you're committing acts of war against us and I think we28:09
should understand that the head of the U the Russian um FSB um Brit nikov I think28:15
his last name is Alexander Brit nikov um when asked about you know what are you gonna do about it he said everything is28:21
ahead of us and that should chill your blood because that means that there will28:27
be retribution and mvtive has made it clear that um it doesn't matter what your nationality is what government you28:33
are if you were involved in this action there will be retribution you know this isn't a game this isn't Victoria nulan28:39
you know she's sitting there pretending this is a game she thinks this is another Cookie Monster event um she's28:45
cackling about you know surprises hey Vicky um your name's on the list too I28:52
mean I'm not encouraging Russians to come after Americans but you know you you what's that old thing U fool around29:00
find out I don't think the first step is fool but we it's yeah fool around and29:05
find out but yeah like we what people don't know is that the CIA has a fostered a29:12
great relationship with with Ukrainian Insurgent since 1948 they've been there29:17
so I mean this isn't far out of the the realm of possibility so we the attack29:22
occurs I watched the videos now I'm not a sharpshooter but I they didn't look29:27
very well trained to me um they did look like kind of and so that when they said29:33
Isis K was responsible I was like well they don't really act or shoot like Isis29:39
militants now I read a post by Elijah magier who has worked in studied Isis29:45
cells since they since they're fruition and he said the same thing he said they don't look like Isis they don't behave29:51
like Isis they don't talk like Isis what do you what can you tell us about um29:56
what is it ISP the Isis K or Whatever It Is Well Islamic State Coran um was30:03
created in um I think 2014 around there um it30:13
is Affiliated in terms of um of their desire for a a caliphate I mean if you30:19
take a look at what differentiates Isis from Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda is about Islamic30:27
resistance against the you know the Americans for the crime of coming into30:32
Saudi Arabia and and you know corrupting the the two holy sites Mecca and Medina30:38
um but it was never about the creation of a um Islamic caliphate um Isis is30:45
derived from people who said Al-Qaeda is not doing enough that we have to expand30:51
this struggle so um I think it's um Abu Bak Al baghdaddy alad yeah you31:00
know went off from what was Al-Qaeda Iraq Hui went to Syria and started31:07
forming the Islamic State um and so they created a caliphate they they they they31:13
carved out a chunk of territory 30% of Syria 40% of Iraq the Islamic State in31:20
Iraq and Syria Isis um and they motivated their actions motivated uh31:28
militants operating in Afghanistan both in terms of Taliban ptun Afghan Pon but also in31:37
many cases more importantly uh USCS who were part of the USC Islamic resistance force that were fighting with the31:42
Taliban as part of a larger Al-Qaeda movement and they said we want some of that caliphate stuff too you know we31:49
like that that that's more hardcore the al-Qaeda and Taliban are talking about negotiating an end to the solution we31:55
don't want to negotiate in we want to create a it and so they broke away from32:01
the Taliban ranks and they created the Islamic state cordan cordan is the32:06
historic name for this region um you know that encompasses Afghanistan Turkmenistan Iran uh Etc so that that32:14
was it these are hardcore hardcore islamists and they um you know they they32:20
are they have good military training um and they oftentimes um they believe in32:26
martyrdom and here's the important thing um you know in the Islamic state allows32:32
people to um to self-identify as Islamic32:38
State um and carrying out their acts and and the way to do that is you you have the Islamic state flag and then you do a32:45
video where you uh you you recite the shahada I believe it is again I'm not an expert it the shahada which is the the32:53
the Islamic Creed uh it's one of the most um important Creeds it's basically32:59
there is no God you know but but God and Allah is or Muhammad is his Prophet33:04
something of that nature um and it's it's an act it's words that say I am a33:10
Pious Muslim Pious is important now if you study the the various um sunna and33:19
and things of that nature um there is no requirement other than to say those words um but you have to mean those33:25
words but the the islamists um Bin Laden and uh Al baghdaddy um they are famous33:34
or inFAMOUS for when they recite it to raise their their right hand and they33:39
recite it pointing the finger and so this has become the shahada finger um and so you often see these33:46
fundamentalists before they go off and Martyr themselves make a video where33:51
they they they recite this the flag's there and they're saying I am now Isis and then Isis will rece that video look33:59
at the attack and say ah okay we accept you and then they will publish this on their media website that's an important34:06
distinction because if Isis is the originator of the idea where it's hardcore Isis to go out and attack34:13
um Isis releases that attack using Isis Central their headquarters um so in this34:20
case there was a photograph taken of these four perpetrators these terrorists34:26
um who are giving shahada with their left hand yeah I S now in34:31
Islam the left hand is I mean we you know we Christians you laugh about it it's a serious thing this is the hand34:38
this is the hand of Satan yeah this is the hand of good this is the hand of righteousness this is the hand of evil34:44
this is the hand of Satan um so right off the bat you can't call them Pious because they've given Shada with their34:50
left hand um and two they blurred their faces since when do martyrs blur their34:58
faces because they ain't Martyrs they never intended to die these aren't35:04
Believers these are mercenaries they were paid to carry out a unconventional35:11
warfare act inside Moscow by somebody um but it wasn't Isis this wasn't Isis35:18
planed Isis was a cover story Isis was this was the cover story of Isis was35:23
built in and what's important about this is that on March 7th the US Embassy in35:30
Moscow released a statement it was very specific very specific it said that35:36
there will be an an act by extremists um of terrorism uh they will35:42
attack public gathering venues to include concert Halls within the next 2435:48
to 48 hours it was issued the same day that this cell operating in M Moscow35:55
sent one of their ter one of their operatives uh to the crocus City Hall36:02
and concert venue to do a reconnaissance he came back because they were planning on attacking it on March 9th 48 hours36:09
after the March 7th event uh to to when Shaman was going to be performing there36:15
um he came back and said Security's too tight guys they got we can't do it so they went into sleeper mode and they36:21
waited till but how did the US know this was it guess36:28
how did they know that there was going to be extremists within 48 Hours attacking a concert venue because the36:35
CIA is in cahoots with the ukrainians that were planning this the United36:40
States has a duty and responsibility of a duty to report when they get information about um you know an36:48
impending attack and so even though we don't have good relations with Russia we supposed to tell them but the way to36:54
inform Russia anaton Antonov the Russian Ambassador just came out with the statement he said I'm here I'm the37:00
Russian Ambassador why didn't anybody call me why didn't somebody come to me and say here's what we got I got all the37:06
right guys here I got my intelligence dude I got my security dude we have secure Communications back to Moscow37:13
come and brief me I'll get it to you or in Moscow you have a US ambassador who37:19
could have gone and knocked on the door and said hey Mr head of intelligence37:24
I've got very sensitive information about an impending attack that's not how it was done it was done through37:29
unofficial means now we don't know exactly how that was done but it means37:35
that the Russians receiving it didn't come through official channels because normally you have official Channel I37:40
just interviewed a guy a Russian FSB guy um who was the man who delivered the information package to the United States37:47
warning them about this the Saria Brothers in the leadup to the Boston bombing this meant that Russia put an37:53
FSB guy on an airplane who flew to the United States and met with the CIA FBI37:59
Homeland Security and said this is what we have on the Sarah Brothers we think they're getting ready to do something we38:05
want to give you a heads up of course we ignored it and the Boston bombing took place and he was actually in the United38:12
States when that happened so they called him back in to talk it over but that's called official contacts as we proed38:18
through the Boston bombing it doesn't always work if the other side doesn't want to listen but could you imagine38:23
what it' be like if instead of sending this guy over with this package some uh FSB guy went went to Vienna you know to38:30
a well-known restaurant in Vienna where CIA people like to hang out because they're so damn secretive that they38:36
never do anything that's predictable and so this restaurant that I won't name but everybody knows where it is the FSB goes38:43
there and he brushes up against guy a guy and he says Hey buy your beer38:48
um some stuff's about to go down man I mean in Moscow we we we we we got some information stuff's going to go down38:54
it's going to be bad we we you know going to happen the next 24 48 Hours you guys might want to be thinking about so39:00
now I'm the you know the CIA guy going well what do I do with this it's39:07
not done officially the official ways for that guy to come in and hand the package now the guy's coming to me is it39:14
is he trying to you know to set us on a false path is this a provocation what's going on so forgive the Russians if they39:20
receive this brush off by a a CIA person um of unofficial nature if they went39:27
what the hell is America trying to do here provoke us get us to do to something what's going on we'll we'll39:32
look at it but you know it's not the same as you handing a package over but in retrospect what it was is part of the39:39
cover story because what it allowed the United States to do immediately is say interestingly enough and I love Maria39:45
zacharova I think she's awesome and one of the things I really like about her is y'all couldn't solve the Kennedy39:51
assassination until now uh you haven't told us exactly who did nordstream 2 and39:57
yet within immediately you know that Ukraine didn't do it and Isis K did do40:02
it right that um but I think that this this was part of the cover Story part of40:08
the the effort to deliberately uh guide the Russians away from Ukraine because we know the truth we know that Ukraine40:15
was involved and we also know that we were involved peripherally or directly40:21
that has yet to be determined but we the evidence is in the embassy statement we had evidence that this attack was taking40:29
place well very specific evidence by the way oh yeah yeah absolutely what do you40:36
think about the so they're captured they're all aics I I also want to remind40:41
our listeners and you probably remember but January I want to say fourth but so40:46
in January that was when the terror attack occurred at the general solomani uh Memorial in Iran and that was claimed40:54
by ISIS K pretty uh immediately as well Iran came out and said we know Isis K we41:00
have eradicated Isis K the remnants that are still left over are just mercenaries that work for the West so this has41:06
Israel and the United States on it and now we have this in Russia and immediately they try to prescribe it to41:12
Isis k then they they catch tajic which you know for a Westerner they don't know41:18
anything about Central Asia but for our listeners tajic aren't really that um41:23
religious one they're a nomadic peoples to they aren't um Turks they're actually41:30
Iranian they're Persians and they're kind of like the Misfits of that of Central Asia the the the the former41:37
Soviet republics and um they're very very poor and destitute and that's why41:42
when he said you know 10,000 or 10 million Ruble I was like oh yeah these are just kind of disenfranchised and41:49
that's so for me and and I keep trying to stress this try to get away from these American suggestions that this is41:55
Muslim extremism it was just just a TR financial transaction it's a business42:00
transaction to them if they were Isis I'm sure they would have gone down with the ship42:07
honestly yeah the interesting thing about tajiks um I mean you're right they're they're a Persian uh people they42:14
they they speak a derivative of of farsy um they're primarily Shia although not42:20
exclusively when you get into the mountains of garm uh in the region around the um the border with um42:28
uh with with Afghanistan you you get U tajiks who are um Sunni sufs but the42:34
interesting thing about Sufism um is it's not a it's not a form of U Islam42:40
that's conducive to um the embracement of wahhabism or salafism of the the the42:47
extreme ideology that uh governs you know organizations like Al-Qaeda and42:52
Isis so the tajiks aren't necessarily your your best recruits I will say this the tajiks had a civil war in the 1990s43:01
um again that was religious based and that civil war led to a certain43:06
radicalization amongst a segment of the U of the of the Sunni population who43:12
belied that they had been abandoned by their their their their you know the leaders of their faith Etc and they took43:18
common cause with um sort of the salafism and wahhabism and so to to say43:24
that the the tajiks couldn't ever be be infected by the um you know salafism or43:30
wahabism is wrong but it's a distinct minority um and they stand out the interesting thing about communities like43:37
the taji community is that um you know they're very tight tightly knit we see43:42
that uh we we see that this group that carried out this act uh insinuated43:47
itself into a network of of tajiks who are in Moscow um they were able to rent43:54
an apartment from a tajik or I I guess the guy they rented from was a kurus but a Central Asian they got the car from a44:01
taji family um and I think you're going to find out that they got money they got food they did everything to keep their44:07
profile low while they're waiting for an opportunity to attack the crocus City College remember they're supposed to44:12
carry out the attack on the ninth didn't happen until the 22nd um so what happened in between they have to lay low44:19
somebody has to support that you have to do it in a way that doesn't raise the profile U you know and and you do that44:26
by insinuated yourself into this immigrant population um which is susceptible to because of you as you44:33
mentioned poverty issues um you know it can be exploited and we have both the CIA and the Ukrainian intelligence44:40
Services reaching out there are communities telegram communities um and and you know beginning negotiations and44:47
discussions that way the CIA has admitted this I mean how stupid can they be but you remember when uh when the44:53
director of U of operations the CIA came out and said we're looking for a few good Russians he did a video we're45:00
looking for some Russians and we're going to reach out to you and you can contact us on telegram because45:06
telegram's got great point-to-point uh you know encryption um but they do the same thing with um with these these45:14
these religious I was speaking to somebody um who said that um you know45:19
Isis dropped um using social media as a recruitment vehicle sometime in the 201745:27
2019 time period primarily that's when um the state department was creating a counter um social media capability and45:35
and the US had was learning how to um infiltrate social media networks and it45:41
was turning out bad for Isis because people were dying um and so they they45:46
backed away from that so if you're somebody though that isn't aware of that and you're sitting there on your45:51
telegram Channel and somebody pops in and starts talking to you and convinces you that they're you know religious and45:58
they're this understand the CIA has teams that come together to do this I'll just throw this out there I got on a lot46:04
of criticism from people who uh who took umage what I was when I when I condemned what I thought that what I believe that46:10
Gonzalo lero was doing um in this post arrest phase creating these um this this46:16
form where people could come in and talk and and and and and they'd exchange46:22
ideas and then you know you you got these circle of people communicating both online and offline line and I have46:28
correctly said that that is a way and we know that the British and the Americans46:33
use and the ukrainians US this to collect patterns of behavior to collect46:38
patterns of Life online life uh so that they could mirror image that so that46:45
they could become that convincingly uh the CIA and other intelligence Services46:51
have done the same thing with um with with islamist uh groups online the CIA46:57
is fully capable of creating a team that can become an Imam or become the47:03
assistant of an Imam because they have participated in this they have absorbed the data they know this how to say the47:10
right things they know uh how approaches work because they've watched it happen47:15
and so they pattern their response on that so it becomes very believable and so when these poor tajik start47:22
communicating with somebody you know it's not like you know if somebody came in and tried to tell me they played football for Franklin and Marshall in47:29
the early 1980s um I'd be able to call BS because I played football for47:34
Franklin and Marshall in 1980s and I'd and i' I'd be able to throw out things and I'd say you're not saying it right47:39
or if they said no I was in the Marine Corps really I mean I've done this a lot of times I've had people come into my telegram Channel and start talking about47:46
their fantastic Special Operations background I'm like that ain't how they talk that ain't you know the the data47:54
you're putting out there isn't how it's described um you know BS um and so if48:00
you're a Muslim and you're sitting there and you you have your community and somebody comes in you'll be able to call48:06
you'll be able to say this is fake but the CIA because of the social48:11
experiments such as the ones run by Gonzalo L on behalf of the Ukrainian intelligence service very valuable48:17
intelligence collection tool by the way that social experiment has Ena them to come up with believable um profiles to48:25
infiltrate and so this these people were recruited by remote by somebody who was48:30
convincing online and convinc them to go down a path um but it's it's all a CIA48:36
controlled or Ukrainian intelligence controlled same thing um operation it's48:41
not Isis K this has nothing to do with Isis K and it's not about weapons handling it's just about the whole48:48
profile this was a mercenary attack these were people who recruited for money not ideology um you know they they they they48:55
decided to do it because they want to make money now that doesn't mean that Isis K is incapable of doing recruitment for money we know they went to Libya and49:02
recruited people and there was a paycheck attached but you know this particular event um is a mercenary event49:11
it's not an event derived from a sense of a wronged individual who wants to go out and and do something that's total49:17
fake nonsense this was a mercenary event where the United States then helped49:23
Ukraine craft a cover story that was and we we see how quickly the US put the49:29
cover story in place you know boom crocus it's Isis it's not Ukraine49:37
really what did you think about the recent news that came out that the guy I think one of the guys said he trained in49:42
Northern Syria and the other guy or maybe it was the same guy had pictures from a vacation in Turkey um what did49:50
you think about about that is that L do you think so I've kind of been tinfoil49:55
hading this sort of pipeline of weapons and sort of mercenaries and terrorists50:00
from Turkey to Ukraine and then back to Turkey down into the Levant into the50:05
Sahel so do you think this is one of those instances um and that's what we're50:11
looking at but again I didn't see anything that was indicative of them receiving training from anybody at all50:18
but yeah you did definitely had vacation pictures in Turkey well the the Turks50:24
have explained the vacation pictures as um this this guy is a Moscow resident uh in50:30
order to recertify his Moscow residency he had to leave Russia for a couple of50:36
days and then return that does happen yeah and so that's the Turks are50:41
painting it that way but it's also an opportunity uh to meet people and to do50:46
things again the here's here's the beauty thing about this um you know we're only on an investigation so a lot50:53
of what's going on is pure speculation I'm comfortable with making some speculation because uh I have an51:00
experience in intelligence and I I I know how this operated in the past that's no guarantee that it's operating51:06
that way today but you know I admit I'm speculating uh the Russians however what51:12
we here's some things that we know we know that they gained access to one of the uh phones early on in after the51:19
attack that they got one of the I guess somebody saw the person drop a phone they they got in a fist fight with the51:24
guy and the phone was dropped so the Russ were able to gain access to this phone and from that phone they were51:30
immediately able to identify phone numbers affiliated with the other perpetrators and to begin to understand51:37
the network that's going on so um they rather than stopped the car because they51:42
knew the car they were in um because they can track it and they were able to get it on camera and all this stuff they51:49
followed it and they're listening to the conversations real time um they're51:55
listening to the guys on the phones calling in and talking to people in52:01
Ukraine and saying we're on our way and they're coordinating you need to be here at this time work your way down this52:07
route we'll meet you here so they're coordinating to create this the Russians have said there was a reception52:12
Committee in Ukraine working to open the border for them how do they know that they were listening to them talking real52:20
time um they're also watching as they're posting videos and here's a key thing um52:26
where are they posting the videos too are these guys communicating directly with Isis Central which would you be52:33
doing if you were Isis K or they posting to an intermediary who then posts it to52:38
the media arm of Isis for evaluation which is what happened so the Russians are monitoring this the Russians know so52:46
much more than is being led on um so much that they were able to get the52:51
Turks to make a raid in turkey and and arrest 40 people they're part of a support the support network that's52:57
operating but again the fact that you have a support network doesn't mean that it's Isis K it just53:03
means I give away tools of the trade here um if if I'm running a an operation53:10
um I am going to and I wanted remember it's a covert operation which means it's53:15
deniable um I am not going to set up uh something in turkey that says I'm the53:22
CIA or I'm ukraini intelligence I'm going to set up an entity a cover story53:29
that actually functions in the way it's supposed to and the people in there may believe that they're actually working53:35
for Isis I may have fooled them into saying you're working for Isis or I may have pulled people who worked for Isis53:41
before and come back to him and say hey we need to operate you you know we need to bring you in operation again oh another Isis operation yeah who's in53:49
charge well Imam Scott never heard of him but he's a new guy in town Imam53:54
Scott's a good guy you got to listen to him oh okay what work for Elon Scott so they're doing their thing so the fact53:59
that these 40 guys in Turkey may or may not have thought that they were really Isis K is irrelevant if I'm setting up a54:06
covert operation I need to have everything be deniable everything um and so now people54:14
say well Scott if it's if they're that good how come they did the phone you guys do know that in 2003 the CIA went54:21
to Italy and kidnapped an Egyptian cleric um and took him off to Guantanamo54:26
um and had him tortured um he was innocent he he wasn't guilty54:32
of anything but how do we know this because the CIA made a mistake they used54:39
their phones and then they didn't get rid of the phones they kept their phones use the same phones they didn't use burner phones and the Italians went in54:46
and got got a whiff of this and were able to tra trace it to cell phone54:51
towers and suddenly they have the entire communication Network by name of every54:56
CIA covert operative involved in this and they issued a arrest warrants the CIA isn't perfect they make mistakes and55:04
the people they train make mistakes when you're under pressure when things you know it's one thing to be trained in55:10
something they I I mean I would have hoped they were trained in the art of burner phones but you just you just went55:17
into the crocus Center you just murdered people uh and and you've left and maybe55:22
you weren't even expecting to get out but you're like holy cow we got out we're driving driving away where's the burner phone I might have left it in the55:29
parking lot ah we'll just use our phones anyways and so they use their phones and they get traced um mistakes are made all55:37
the time in this business and that's you know the Russians were able to exploit the mistakes but it it's not just these55:44
terrorists who make mistakes I just pointed out a case where the CIA the best of the best uh made a huge mistake55:49
in Italy that compromised 20 covert operatives by name to include the chief of station who had to flee for his life55:55
including an Air Force colonel in Bry who was part of this who had to flee for his life because he was going to be56:01
arrested too because they were all linked by cell phone records to to this56:08
kidnapping so and then today we find out that uh zalinsky Fighters danol do you56:16
think that that's related at all to the instance in Moscow and they're not letting that on because I don't I don't56:22
remember him doing anything that was uh like to fire offensive or whatever but56:28
what was what's that about well again here we get into speculation because we don't know56:33
exactly what's going on but there's a lot of talk that even in the leadup to this attack prior to this attack that56:40
the um Bridget can't remember Brink maybe um56:46
the Ambassador US ambassador to Ukraine um dog are barking Maverick I think I56:54
think the CIA is coming to my front door but it's F but you never know FedEx57:02
should be undercover but um the the57:08
um oh gosh The Barking threw me off we were talking about oh danov um Bridget the uh57:16
Brinkley I think her name is Brink or something like that the US ambassador um had meetings with zolinski and her and57:23
his intelligence people and my understanding is that she read them the right act that one of the things that57:29
she got them on was um carrying out uh unauthorized attacks against Russian um57:35
oil infrastructure uh and she said you have to stop this because you know you're doing stuff that's causing prices57:42
to increase we we're in an election year and we Ain the business of dealing with inre oil prices um and I think she also57:52
was telling him to reain in things see I think what happened is the CIA created a57:58
Frankenstein with Budan of the head of military intelligence with the the gentleman who's the head of their their58:04
their security and danov overseen this he's the head of the National Security uh committee or Council that oversees58:10
this um and they created this this Frankenstein monster the special activities division went in there and trained them on U on all these skill58:18
sets um and many of the Skillets were designed to be used um in an occupied58:24
zone so as the Russians push push in the idea was that the ukrainians would leave58:29
stay behind teams that then would carry out these operations but the same skill set that involves maintaining covert58:36
cells sustaining Etc can be projected into Russia and the CIA I believe said58:42
we don't do in Russia um we we can't get inol that requires a different presidential finding we have a58:48
presidential finding that says you can operate in the occupied territory and maybe even in Crimea but you certainly58:55
can't do in Russia um and budanov and danov and everybody went thank you very59:01
much but we don't a damn we're going to do whatever the hell we want to do what we need to do and you had budanov59:08
bragging about striking deeper and deeper deeper um and they and remember the the CIA got so mad at them for59:15
killing um um um Daria dugina that the59:20
CIA did something unprecedented they went to the media and said that ain't us59:26
we told them not to do that that's not us but it's too bad it is you because59:31
you trained them in that skill set the same skill set it takes to infiltrate somebody into Russian occupied territory59:37
is used can be used to infiltrate into Russia um the same concept of building59:42
you know networks support networks Etc it's the it's the same skills hit and what the ukrainians did is is started59:49
overlaying that on Russia and the United States is saying we don't like the ES59:56
alation ladder that is derived from what you're doing because it directly1:00:01
implicates us it complicates our life especially in an election year you need to cease and desist and I think danov1:00:08
told him to pound sand and so now I think what's happened is the Americans have come in and said you know you you1:00:14
guys do understand that you're on your way out and that your only Lifeline is us that's it and yet we're going to make1:00:20
sure that you die a very painful death because we're done with you if you continue to do this nonsense we are1:00:27
finished with you and you and I I think danov basically said screw you we're going to do it anyways and the Americans1:00:33
went to zilinski and said you can die tomorrow if you want to because we'll we'll tell the Russians your protections1:00:39
off or you can unscrew this situation and I think zalinski fired him he also1:00:45
you know there's there's a big reshuffling taking place um danala was fired I think the head of the of the1:00:50
foreign intelligence service was replaced and I wouldn't be surprised if budanov and the head of the um of of sbu1:00:59
are shown the door in the not too distant future because um the United States we're in a very difficult1:01:05
situation right now because we are directly implicated I I don't know if the United States planned the attack1:01:12
that took place in Moscow actually if you want my honest opinion we didn't plan it uh because we don't have a1:01:19
presidential finding that allows that um I don't even think we have a presidential finding that allows these1:01:24
Russian nationalists to to invade belgrad fact is I'm confident we don't have a presidential finding that allows1:01:30
that but they've gone Rogue budanov has gone Rogue budanov is is doing these attacks in belgrad and we're saying1:01:37
don't do that you can't do that that's that's a level of escalation we don't want you're invading Russia with forces1:01:44
that we gave you money to create you can't you know we help them create Frankenstein's monster now1:01:51
Frankenstein's monster got off the reservation and starts eating the people he's not supposed to eat um we're to1:01:56
blame we created Frankenstein's monster and um right now we're telling to get Frankenstein's monster under control or1:02:03
we're going to kill Frankenstein and his monster but one last question before I let you go so we saw right after the1:02:09
election which obviously Putin was going to win and won the attacks ramped up1:02:15
tremendously so are we going to see another increase in retaliation for this active terrorism or do you think that1:02:22
that will be dealt with aside and they'll continue with um what they have planned because to me it looks like1:02:27
we're opening up the front much wider to prepare for something on the ground uh1:02:32
they were opening up air defenses and Kiev and and lolv so what are your thoughts on the current uh status of the1:02:39
Smo I think we're going to see the Smo transition into into war um in the not1:02:45
too distant future I think it's already from a certain standpoint uh the gloves have come off you take a look at the1:02:51
targeting that the Russians have been doing recently taking out decision-making centers taking out um1:02:57
not just you know doing limited damage you the Russians have always didn't it's basically they've been going1:03:04
down into the basement and and hitting the breaker switch and running out and you go ah damn it I gotta go downstairs1:03:10
and turn on the breaker switch that's a pain exactly but you can turn on the breaker switch you could always repair it it's just a hassle yeah yeah but what1:03:17
the Russians just is they came out and they took out the entire thing they ripped out you know the the the gas1:03:23
meter all and you're going going well there ain't no breaker switch there ain't nothing it's not there welcome to1:03:30
the new reality yeah shutting down ccob is shut down um and they're going to be shutting down other cities other centers1:03:37
uh they're they're targeting um underground gas storage they're targeting the Gas Distribution uh1:03:43
Ukraine is going to cease to function as a nation state uh they're starting to take out decision-making centers I would1:03:49
imagine a not too distant future um when they can establish the linkage with Ukraine they're going to start killing1:03:55
very senior ukrainians um but more importantly Russia's made a a strategic1:04:01
decision um Vladimir Putin and shyu and gasimov just had a meeting where they1:04:06
announced the creation of the Nipper River flotilla yep why Russia doesn't1:04:12
control the neppa river why would they make a flotilla they plan on controlling the1:04:17
flo the neppa river soon when this summer and it's why would they need to1:04:23
control the NEP because that's going to be a major part of the new line of contact I think you're going to see the1:04:29
ukrainians they and you already hear talk about it they they they've they've run out of men they don't have enough men they're it's it's verging on the1:04:36
total collapse so they have no choice but to withdraw behind the Neer River Line and take those forces that would1:04:42
otherwise have to man that line fully and redistribute them into COV and into Odessa U so Russia is going to take1:04:50
control of the Neer River with their flotilla and um they have dedicated forces for that a division linked to the1:04:57
flotilla and several independent brigades but also two new combined arms armies that are going to be involved in1:05:04
major offensive operations I believe to take COV and take Odessa um This Is War1:05:11
Russia's basically saying we're done playing games we are eliminating you and1:05:17
we will continue to eliminate you until you no longer exist um I think the decision is made that uh it shut out the1:05:23
lights the part's over for Ukraine um and you know we're waiting for Russia1:05:29
to make that political decision but Russia doesn't do things kneejerk reaction before Putin I just to give an1:05:36
example of why I say this everybody in you know January of1:05:41
2022 was saying Russia's gonna invade Russia's gonna invade remember the Americans they're invading tomorrow I'm1:05:47
like no they're not I'm not saying they're not going to invade but they ain't invading tomorrow how can you say1:05:53
that they're moving troops around I said because Russia there's things that have to happen first let me tell you what has to happen first1:06:00
first the lenr lugans and denet have to do a1:06:07
referendum where they declare independence why do they have to do that well you see for Russia to move into1:06:14
Ukraine they either have to declare war or there has to be a collective1:06:19
self-defense but they can't have Collective self-defense unless they have entities that they are collectively1:06:24
self-defending with and so they have to declare independence now the next thing that has to happen is1:06:30
then they have to request the Russians to recognize their independence and then1:06:36
to seek to join together in collective security this requires a request of1:06:42
parliament Parliament has to meet and speak and then the president has to receive it and go back to Parliament and1:06:47
get it and then it can happen when that happens Russia will move into Ukraine1:06:52
but until that happens don't tell me it's happening tomorrow because this is a you know a a a minimum of three days1:06:59
maybe five day maybe a week long event when it starts to happen we can say I'm comfortable that the invasion is taking1:07:05
place after that people like no it happened exactly how I said because that's how Russia Works Russia is a1:07:12
nation of systemic laws systemic you know procedures and so if for Putin to1:07:19
say I'm going to make the transition from Smo to war I'm going to do this the first thing that has has to happen is he1:07:26
has to have the means available to back up his words and so the Russian military right now is creating those means those1:07:32
means will be available sometime in the June July time frame and at that point1:07:37
in time maybe sooner depending on how fast because I'm not in the Russian general staff I don't know their1:07:43
timelines but when they have the military means capable Putin will come out and say and now we're transitioning1:07:50
from the Smo to war zalinski is going to die budano is going to die they're all die and we're just going to take the1:07:57
whole thing over we're done with you and I think that's the future going forward I think um I think this especially this1:08:04
attack has cemented Ukraine's future um as Brit nikov said um everything's ahead1:08:12
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