Piers Morgan DESTROYED By Cornel West Over Gaza: ‘Yes Or No?’
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Intro
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nous Pierce Morgan loves to ask people
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if they'll condemn Hamas yes or no yes
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or no yes or no and here's a clip of you
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asking Pierce Morgan to answer a
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question yes or no uh let's see let's
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see how that goes well they've let's be
Cornel calls out Pier's Hypocrisy
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clear let's be clear they've and this is
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uh Pierce Morgan talking about Hamas
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when he says they merge is a terrorist
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terrorist organization committing acts
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of mass terrorism I mean that's what
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they are Hamas is a counterterrorist
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group responding to the terrorism of the
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IDF and responding to the terrorism of
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the Israeli State a counterterrorist
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group can can can can commit war crimes
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brother but they they didn't initiated
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at all if they're founded
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1988 and the terrorism began in 1948
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with the state of Israel that's 40 whole
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years let's keep in mind I think it's a
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stretch to call them count
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under the PLO undermine secular
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nationalism promote fundamentalist Islam
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as a way of dividing Palestinians that's
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why Nathan yahu allowed for Gaza but
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allowed for Hamas to gain to to gain
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access to the money from Qatar and
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others keep the Palestinians divided and
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therefore not having to move to deal
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with the West there are look there are
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many things that we would find agreement
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on about the way Palestinians have been
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treated for a very long time it has been
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a completely unacceptable occupation
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should not the but hang on hang on let
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me I know let me finish but the ideaa
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that you categorize Hamas after October
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7th as counter terrorists is ridiculous
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they are terrorists and they should be
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called what they are anyway let me ask
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you this do do you think the IDF is
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terrorist when they kill innocent
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Palestinians do you I think it depends
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yes or no my brother yes or no well okay
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I I would ask you this if you no yes or
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no you're uncensored you're uncensored
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my brother I've been asked this question
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before I have actually tweeted in 2014
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which I thought was so refreshing
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because you never hear people ask yes or
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no can is Israel terrorist or what they
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doing terrorist and of course you you
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can't if you say what Hamas
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did what Israel is doing is not
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terrorism and you've been very
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consistent you you distinguish between
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killing civilians and killing combatants
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whichit you know which is a framework of
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international human rights law but I
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thought it was interesting that you got
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him unable to respond to this even as he
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on every almost every episode he's done
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on this subject Corners people with a
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yes or no and then he tries to throw it
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back to you with a a challenge and this
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was great too I tweeted that what Israel
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was doing then was bordering on
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terrorism I'm not afraid of using that
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analogy bordering on terrorism the
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children are being killed right yes of
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course there were children killed in
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October oober the 7th I have serious
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misgivings about what's happening
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currently in Gaza like most people but
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what I would say to you if you were the
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head of the Israeli government on
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October the 7th out of Interest what
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would your response have been to that
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horrendous terror attack well I I'll
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tell you the answer to that question but
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I don't know why you just can't say the
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IDF is terrorist killing and innocent
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people bordering on it it's wrong no why
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you're uncensored you're a free man tell
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the truth from tell Tru let me tell you
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what I would what I would do if I was in
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Israel I would end the occupation I
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would end The Siege I was saying I'm
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committed to Palestinian dignity I'm
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committed to Palestinian equality and we
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Palestinians and Israelis we Jews and
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and and and and Palestinians we're going
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to learn how to live together in a
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context of equality and dignity we're
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going to have Jewish safety we're going
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to have Jewish security that's the very
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end and aim of Israel we'll never see an
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annihilation of Jews we'll never see
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another Massacre or holy CA of Jews but
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we'll never see Annihilation and
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Massacre and and and and and and and and
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vicious attacks on Palestinians e that's
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what I would do not just as head of
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Israel that's what I do in the White
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House brother that's what I'll do the
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White House and I'll explain to American
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people why it is that Biden and Harris
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and others continue to enable this
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genocide and then when they finally say
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ceasefire they act like they ought we
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ought to give them a moral PR I
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appreciate your moral Clarity there in
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response to that often rhetorical
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question of what is Israel supposed to
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do undermine the conditions that make
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possible this kind of domination
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occupation make sure you keep track of
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the humanity beginning with the least of
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these that's biblical for me which are
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the oppressed and then make a space in
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which oppress and oppressor can in fact
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call in question that distinction and
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attempt to live a life together and
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that's why I'm thoroughly convinced that
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the uh that the two- party solution
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really even again that Biden and and and
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Harris are talking about is is
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relatively empty it's too late there's
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too many settler uh colonialists who've
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taken the land so that you end up giving
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the Palestinians something like a banan
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state a highly marginalized entity of
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which there
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Israeli Supremacy so that Israeli will
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continually be have them under
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surveillance have them under their power
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with a little small entity they call a
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state and then say you ought to be
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satisfied with it no I'm not going for
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that that is it's very interesting to me
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that uh people of other is just in
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Dallas had a wonderful wonderful uh
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Gathering uh at a rally and people had a
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big again controversy about this this
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phrase To The River To The Sea you said
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well right now you've got aarti from the
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river to the
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sea no not controversial but when you
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say River to the sea oh you mean
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annihilation of Jews no no we're not
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going we don't have any Pati for
Cornel calls out the hypocrisy of Zionism
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annihilation of Jews or anybody else but
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if the alternative is River to the sea
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with aarth versus River to the sea with
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a secular state which one has a
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moral character to it which one has
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ethical content to it how do we deal
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with these non-negotiables what I call
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non-negotiables which is Palestinian
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dignity and equality and Jewish security
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and and safety there will never be
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Israeli safety there'll never be
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security for Jewish brothers and sisters
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as long as they are occupying dominating
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subjugating marginalizing and degrading
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and outright hating Palestinians then
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they get upset when Palestinians hate
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back well I don't believe people are to
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hate at all but I know people do hate
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back you terrorize people do terrorize
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back there's no doubt about that and
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we've had these discussions in the black
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Freedom Movement my dear sister you know
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was you know Nat Turner and Denmark vzy
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and John Brown white brother were they
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justified in killing uh uh White
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innocent children well that's a serious
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debate the Frederick Douglas and the
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boys and others that we got
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disagreements with that I tend to be
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very very uh purist about that I don't
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think we should ever kill innocent
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people ever kill innocent children if
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you do you ought to recognize that's a
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crime against humanity you don't just do
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it and walk walk around as if this is
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just what resistance is all about no you
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got to make some moral distinctions are
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you going to end up killing innocent
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Palestinians who disagree with you you
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end up killing innocent innocent Arabs
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who disagree with you you got to have
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some moral Corp but I do understand and
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here France Von's point is a powerful
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one that you don't have control over
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this thing and when violence is so
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deeply inculcated in the structures of a
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society thepress are going to speak the
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language of those who are coming at them
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Malcolm X has a powerful Point France
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fenon does too and they're not the only
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two so you have to be cognizant of that
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but I'm holding on to moral some some
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morality and spirituality and of course
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as you know sometimes my left comrad say
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oh brother West are you talking about
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both sides I can't stand this both Sidis
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I understand that point right you can
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use both Sider ISM
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downplay the nature of the domination
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downplay the structures of Oppression
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and downplaying the fact that resistance
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movements of oppressed people takes a
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variety of different forms there's no
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doubt about that now I'm not a pacifist
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like Martin and King and tutu and others
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I believe combatants uh can kill other
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combat and you try to kill other combats
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but of course you know War since World
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War well war going back to the genocide
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against brothers and sisters in the
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Congo under leopo Belgium he just
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killing innocent folks in such a massive
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way that people say well come on brother
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West man everybody's killing innocent
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folk everybody gonna do that wh why why
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you have all of this equivocation and so
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forth I said no you know I'm I'm not
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I'm not
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necessarily better than anybody in any
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deep sense I just want to have a witness
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that has some kind of morality and
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spirituality tied to it even as I'm
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cognizant of just how vicious and ugly
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and beastial and barbaric uh these
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genocides and ethnic cleansings and
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subjugation and
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colonization has in fact been and you
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can imagine you know that's the kind of
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thing we could talk about a long long
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time very well I think there's a
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difference between
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moral consistency in both siding I think
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the danger if you say life is precious
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there's a difference between killing
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civilians and killing combatants and
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both sides are doing it which is not
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what you're saying I mean you I've heard
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you say that you have a larger
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indictment I believe that was your word
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your indictment of is larger of Israel
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because they are committing more of
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these crimes but I think that and you
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also are pointing out that what do you
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think is going to happen when you are
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inflicting violence on the daily level
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and a structural level um how do you
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expect people to respond uh and there's
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a lot of nonviolent resistance from
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Palestinians no one ever talks about
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that that's exactly right I mean in my
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radical King book I make the connections
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between the I mean the anti the first
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anti was nonviolent second antii was
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primarily
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nonviolent and and of course we also
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have to tell the truth about the ways in
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which the American Empire and and and
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the and Israeli U uh Elite tried to
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repress suppress and Crush PLO which was
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a secular leftist movement which was
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nationalist but tied to leftist analysis
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and used fundamentalist Islam as a
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replacement thinking that somehow that
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was going to be either easier to control
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or it was somehow going to be something
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that uh allowed them to get away with
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with their colonial position their their
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position as in this case oppressors v
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oppressed and it it backfired on it it's
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part of the blowback we saw it in
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Afghanistan you see it in in the Middle
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East you see it in Egypt across across
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the Middle East you crush the leftist
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possibilities right you support
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that's Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden all
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of them were on CIA payt right because
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they they they they were being
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manipulated by these Imperial Powers
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Senate in Washington DC and then it
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backfires on them and they become
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anti-American Empire which is not
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Anti-Imperialist as a whole because they
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could be tied to other kind of
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imperialism and that's a complicated
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thing
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too
