🔴 Video Infoblog - Pepe Escobar: Eurasia vs. Natostan is the Defining Struggle of Our Time | Syriana Analysis
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hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome again to sirana analysis I'm your host K alasan thank you very much for tuning in
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to today's live streaming guys I hope you are doing well and I see that you're very excited to be and to listen Pepe
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Escobar today you are tuning on this live streaming from the United States from Europe and even from Japan one of
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our uh streamers and viewers says watching from Japan at midnight Pepe
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Escobar it's always I'm very happy to see your face again on Syrian analysis I
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mean in Arabic we say you are you are too famous to be introduced
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and you're you're you're your name pops up every day in my live chat when I do
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live streaming when Pepe coming is coming to uh seran analysis again and he is a very uh busy uh analyst and author
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and he recently also published a new book Eurasia versus Natan and if I may
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if I may read the description of the book because I was checking it today and
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and in Eurasia versus nater Escobar takes us on a whirlwind Journey Through
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the swirling Sands of the 21st centuries defining Clash from the ancient Silk Roads to the modern day war of economic
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corridors Escobar paints a vivid picture of a world in transition where the old
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order is crumbling and the new multipolar reality is struggling to be born with his nonp pararal blend of
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historical Insight deep cultural appreciation and sharp geopolitical analysis Escobar exposes the West's
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quote unquote rules based International order for the Sham it is a m smokescreen
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for the Empire of chaos to perpetrate its forever Wars and plunder the global
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South but the ti is turning led by the rasia China strategic partnership a new
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Global majority is rising forging new alliances and building alternative systems that bypass West's rigged game
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Pepe when I read this description the first thing that I noticed is that you say the old order is crumbling and I
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totally agree that we can see it in front of our eyes it's like slow but you can even see it with your own eyes the
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challenges that the United States is facing on a geopolitical sphere the ins tions that were under the control of the
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United States and we can see that there is a new multipolar word is rising but this multipolar word is struggling
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according to you as well to be born right what are the main challenges if we want to start this discussion with you
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the main military and economic challenges faced by the proponents of the
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multipolarity and how effective is the US resistance to the emergence of the world order we have the proponents and
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we have the resistance to the emergence of the mult bolar word so if we may start how how what are the challenges
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first in fact the resistance ofor is by the different axis of resistance across
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the multipolar world because this is a resistance against a system that is
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impling very very fast and of course uh they they simply won't leave
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quietly deep into the night they can even cause a global configration because
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they you know resign themselves to the fact that they are not predominant power
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anymore and that's where we are especially this year I see this year as
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the decisive year for the next few years
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for the next decade for the rest of the the century for that matter for many
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reasons uh what will be the I wouldn't say the ending but the
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continuation of these two major Wars that we're facing at the moment we know
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that one of them has I would say a tentative end game in Ukraine which is
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the cosmic humiliation of NATO as I call it but the other one is way more complex
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because it involves the let's call them the biblical
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Psychopaths on one side uh wagging the dog or the dog wagging
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the table we don't know who Wags who in the whole thing with the adiman so the
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the very very close relationship between Washington and Tel Aviv and on the other
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side what I would say the most important exess of resistance of them all which is
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the West Asia AIS of resistance and then we find Iran Syria Hezbollah and salala
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in Yemen the militias in Iraq among others right so this
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will I would say frame the next few months and years what's going to happen
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with these two I would say mirror Wars in fact because these are
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essentially Imperial Wars even if in West Asia it is conducted by this
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unspeakable regime in t Aviv but it's a war that it's uh condoned supported
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weaponized by the hamon so the hamon is deeply implicated in this war in uh the
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black soil of Nova Rosia how I like to call them uh and uh
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I think I I I said this before but I always like to repeat it because it's it's one of those intuitions that you
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have in the middle of the night and in my case it happened when I was deep in the dbas reside and I couldn't sleep of
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course too much information to digest and he then he yeah you know it it rained out like a
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a a z lightning boat yes well this black
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rich black soil of Nova Rosia land of miners a land of very very rich soil of
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course that has propelled uh this part of Russian land uh to become a not only
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a working class but a middle a solid middle class Society all over it's where
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the rules-based um International ORD is coming to die and of course this may seem too
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radical for many of you watching us but when you go to no Rosia when you go to
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dbas when you see what's going on when you talk to military MERS when you talk
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to the local people living in donet or or even in adeva which I had a chance to
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do last month in fact then you see wow you don't mess with these people they are so strong
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they have such a profound grasp of their history of their moral values of their
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religious values of their patriotic values of their linguistic values and
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the fact that they played all always uh a very important part in everything that
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happen in Russia for the past few centuries and starting with the past
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Century uh the Great Patriotic War uh the I would say sorry tragedy in
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Afghanistan where we had a lot of Fighters for the
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USSR in Afghanistan and of course since 2014 the fight against uh the regime in
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KF yes so so so the inter the the the local interaction especially in donet I
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became with with two visits this year one in March and one one in February and
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another one in March I I'm becoming more and more uh like donet is part of me now
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which is something that it was not before I had been there only once after the the B cauldron in 2015
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but now it's different now now you are you make local friends uh you have
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military commanders that trust you that you know that tell you stories that it's
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very hard for them to tell Foreigners for instance they understand the point of view of a foreigner that is deeply
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interested to learn from them to listen to them to learn from them which is which is our attitude when you when we
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go to dbas so that changes everything it becomes personal like uh whoever had I
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would say uh the honor and the tarity to have lived in Syria during the war in
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Libya during the war or in Gaza these past few decades you know it it becomes
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personal for us that's my case now for me now donbas is personal because of these personal
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interactions and and nowadays we are reaching a point where uh even those who have not been
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there and then I I'm talking about the so-called self-appointed Elites in the
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in NATO Stan the NATO Stan Universe for instance uh Prime foreign minister David
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of Arabia Cameron and French foreign minister Stefan SE who never had any
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sort of international uh relations experience in his life and now he's the foreign minister of France because his
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lover his former lover who is now the prime minister of France appointed him
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bebok is also she never had an experience in diplom ex is even worse so
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and and then and then they said only a few days ago and I'm sure uh many of you in the audience remember if Ukraine
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loses we all lose which was probably the only rational thing they have said in
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this past few weeks or months you know they're starting to get the picture that
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Ukraine will in lose and when they say we all lose means
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NATO loses yes and obviously you won't see that slab of Norwegian would ever
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admitting it in in person yes but when when you look at his body language
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basically this is what he's saying with his body language we all know we lost we
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don't have a plan B and we don't know what's going to happen next so that's where we are at the moment so so that
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makes it even more dangerous because then the people who actually provoked everything for the past 10
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years including our emonic partners that have spent $300 billion dollar in 10
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years which is probably the worst return on investment in modern history yes to
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get uh what our friend Andre martinov calls a country 404 yeah which is some
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will be right so that makes it even more dangerous so so k we not we we're not
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even talking about the danger in West Asia so ju just gives you an idea of how
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bad the situation could become if the war mongers decide to up the anti in
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Ukraine which they will probably do right you know which I disagree with you
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on that they don't have plan B you know what's their plan B their plan B is is the same plan a and it's repeating the
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same plan a over and over again and expecting different results yeah in fact you're right Kor because uh
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there was never a plan B as we all remember plan a was we provoked them uh
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into a war we destroyed their economy in two weeks or months maximum uh our
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armies our NATO armies and NATO trained armies will destroy them in a few months
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and then we go there and plunder everything like we did in the 90s this was plan a and it never changed right
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yes you know uh when I follow the situation in Eastern
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Europe I come across something that concerns me and this is one of the
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challenges I believe in the rise of multipolarity um is the inability of
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China and Russia to sell their project to the masses for example the people in
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Syria know what what it means to leave under rules based order people in Libya
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know Iraqis no the people in dbas no in in Russia no in China no but for example
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when you go to Georgia when you go to Armenia which I'm ethnic Armenian and
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you see that uh you have a younger generation is impressed uh by the EU
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impressed by becoming westernized because westernized yes because it's
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easier to sell the EU project and the EU narrative there is not much language
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barrier for example English has become an universal language in regard you have uh the Americans are selling the their
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cultural view democracy human rights movies angos exchange programs the
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English language is not a barrier and I speak with uh ukrainians mostly from the
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anti-russian side Armenians nowadays Georgians Polish people um and you see
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that uh it's difficult for the Russians and the Chinese to sell and and Market
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their Vision in these places because the people uh are radically becoming against
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uh for example the Russian uh the Russian side and in Armenia you see nowadays that they are turning
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themselves into another Pawn against uh Russia by be by becoming a NATO vasel
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state right so unless these people become a victim of NATO just like the
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the serbs became victim the libyans became victims and the America and the syrians became victims probably some
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people will not really understand what it means to live under American rules
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based order to be subjugated and then being used an instrument like
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instrumentalizing them against the enemy which is here Russia right and I believe the next war is going to be in the
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Caucasus and this time the Armenians are going to be victims of this war because
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they will be between aan and turkey and the Iranians are not going to tolerate a NATO country on the
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borders and the Russians aren't going to tolerate that and this is going to be a
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a new opportunity for as you mentioned the Empire of chaos to spread its its
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its chaos now in the South Caucasus so the people aren't really learning from the lessons of the near lessons and the
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historical l so it's very difficult in my opinion for the Russians and the Chinese to sell their project for these
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few peoples unless they become victims of the American hegemony that's an excellent point Kor we in fact we could
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write a book about that um first of all
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uh war of narratives who controls the
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language that shapes The Narrative controls the narrative this is what the
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Americans they are better than anybody to do that and with the support of
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course of pop culture in fact they sell any narrative through pop culture they can sell this
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narrative with the Netflix series with the Hollywood Blockbusters with rappers
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you name it it's very very with the um refurbished westerns you name it it's
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very very easy and the fact that English is not so much a language anymore
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English is an operating system mhm so and of course because they invented the
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operating system all the upgrades they make the upgrades as well and everybody
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else has to adapt yes so that that brings us to the first problem which is
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the Lost in Translation problem if we have puting lavro Maria
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zacharova who are absolutely first class communicators not to mention siin ping
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huning in China uh the the the the officials at the Ministry of Foreign
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Relations in China were getting better and better yes they may say something absolutely extraordinary and usually
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they do and practically on a daily basis but the Lost in Translation problem once
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again this is something that I discussed face Toof face very closely with
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Iranians and of course Iranians are rightly so very proud of the farsy
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language which is absolutely outstanding is extremely sophisticated but I was trying to argue with them look you need
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to fine tune your message not only to West Asia but to the rest of the global
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South as well obviously and you have to turn the operating system upside down to
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your benefits so don't be afraid to use English to communicate your message the
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same applies to Russia and the same app applies to China of of course it's extremely difficult because uh it's in
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built in these three major civilizations Persia Russia and China uh
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the weight of their amazing past their
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accomplishments of course their history and obviously in built in all that is
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the power of their language yes so they would they would have to let's put it
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this way betray their language so they can reach you know a a much vaster
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audience all across the world yes in fact that's the case but you have to be
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pragmatic and nowadays uh the soft power win is
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basically in in the pr field it's basically in social media in social networks and the fact that people will
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be talking about what you said yes they cannot talk about what you said if you
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say it in in unfortunately unfortunately it's only in the Chinese sphere okay
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it's big enough because that includes the Chinese diaspora so then it's not only 1.3 billion people in China it's
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another at least another 150 million all over the world you know uh Russia is the
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same thing that's the Russian diaspora much smaller and Persia even Iran even
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smaller than that but you have to use the uh the weapons of the enemy against
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against the and this extrapolates to geoeconomics which go goes back to the
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beginning of your first uh observation in our conversation you have to turn GE
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economics upside down to the profit of the bricks to the profit of the global majority which is something that Serge
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Lov himself now he refers to the rest of the world which is the majority as the
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global majority it's absolutely correct conceptually correct all of us we are
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the global majority uh the problem is we don't control the system we don't
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establish the rules and we don't uh tweak the rules-based order like the
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Edon does and the International Financial system yes because the people
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who are the main articulators and the main nodes of the International Financial system they are emonic nodes
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and they're vassels ET P everywhere around so you know it's a it's a
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geopolitical economic and cultural challenge at the same time it's that's
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what makes it so hard to uh this drive towards multipolarity it's much much
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harder than any of us suspect or
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expect Pepe if I may only ask you a technical thing can you can you bring your uh microphone to the middle of your
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shirt because it's hitting your shirt from this side the right side the right
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on where the microphone is just bring it here like in the no there's no microphone I think maybe it's my Buddha
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okay my My Buddha is interfering with our conversation believe
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that the Buddha is saying look what you have to pay attention to the
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power of Buddhism [Laughter]
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ofm you know as you mentioned this language barrier thing it's very important because when the war started
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in Syria uh the the per the former permanent Envoy of Syria to the un uh he
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changed this tradition of speaking only in Arabic and he started speaking in and
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then he started speaking in English because this was an existential War it was an existential War so he wanted to
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deliver the message in English so that they public can understand him and I would just quote him he he quoted najib
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Mah he's Egyptian uh late Egyptian writer and he bril you know what he told
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brilliant yes he quoted najib M um when he wanted to criticize the Western
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officials when the Western officials were trying to intervene in Syria and he said um they are liars and they know
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they are liars and they know that we know that they are liars even so they keep lying very loudly so this this was
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a quotee from najib Mah and I found it really beautiful then Pepe the
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collective West now I if I want to play The Devils Advocate right the collective West and the rules
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based order stands yeah naked in front of the general public especially after the Gaza Onslaught but you argue in your
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book that the tide is turning against the empire of chaos and it's forever Worth to plunder the global South but
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the other side uh in the NATO side or those who dislike Russia and China they
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say why would someone uh who stands for example in the middle pick Russia and
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China where when Russia is occupying Ukraine and and China is trying to bring
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Taiwan back to the mainland so they're also they also have imperialistic Tendencies right and also they are going
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for example to places like in Africa and investing there and pushing them into depths and they they they they they they
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point out to these power as also imperialist powers and we we see how
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this term has been normalized again after the Ukraine war referring to
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Russia as an imperialist power and also China as an imperialist power [ __ ]
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total bu this proves first of all uh many things these people don't travel not only they don't travel to
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Russia and to China and to different regions of Russia and China and to uh
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very very specific specific places in the post Soviet sphere or in case of
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china they don't even go to sing Jang for that matter to see what real life is in sing Jang for that matter not to
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mention they don't travel in Africa and they don't talk to Africans and they don't talk to Africans who try to try to
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uh explain to foreigners the positive role of China Investing
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in I would say between 70 and 80% of African nations so uh well I get this
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kind of [ __ ] on my inbox every day to uh in it's a tsunami every day that
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it I wake up in the morning I said oh no not again it's and it's all there uh the
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headlines are all I only read the the headlines nowadays you know it's all there and it's the same uh Russian
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aggression uh Chinese um genocide in sing Jang uh the death trap
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not only in Africa but in every single H project related to the new Silk Roads
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the belon road initiative it's it's always the same thing uh there are two possibilities one
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we waste most of our working lives trying to counteract this stupidity and
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second we ignore them I'm part of the Let's ignore them Bunch now I I have no
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time for that anymore first of all because we have to work and we have to explain to our readers and our audiences
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everywhere what's really happening in Russia in China in Africa the
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interactions of the global CS which are very complex the notes of the global CS
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that the Edon is trying to exploit divide and Rule style to prevent you
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know a smooth drive towards multipolarity and this is becoming more and more complex as you mentioned one of
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these key nodes is the Caucasus yes W which is there's no question about it
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would be number one C candidate for another hardcore hybrid War color
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Revolution all of the above the other one is Central Asia and especially the
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most vulnerable uh STS which would be Tajikistan
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andan more more Tajikistan than Kyan is Kyan because Kyan is still infested with
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Atlantis every time that I go there I I never cease to be amazed by it in Tajikistan which uh my last time in
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Tajikistan was before Co I would like to come back as soon as possible especially after crocus and H Tajikistan is much
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more complicated but the interconnection of Isis and Isis K with
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Tajikistan is much more advanced than in the other STS it's not by accident that
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the people who were recruited for crocos they were tajiks because there are uh uh
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Isis and Isis K connections online tajiks and
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tajik uh preachers let's put it this way who are who have an enormous influence
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online in Tajikistan and it's very easy to recruit unemployed tajiks who remain
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in tajik instead of trying to find a job in Moscow for instance it's very funny because every time every time that I
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take a tax in Moscow which is every day the driver is either kiris or tajik and
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we usually start a mini conversation ah D and all that and they love it of
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course and they all say the same thing as say yeah we came here because there are no jobs over there wow so so th this is okay so this
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is the second F and the third uh Focus could be Pakistan and the that Pakistan
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and Theon will never allow Iran and Pakistan to have closer relations even
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now that they are especially now that they are both members of the Shanghai cooperation organization so that's why
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we're starting to hear and we're starting to see almost on a monthly basis something happened in baluchistan
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because that's where the CIA has been since forever and that's where is very easy to pit Sunni extremists on one side
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uh linked to Isis to Shiite extremist on the other side yes so so these are only
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three of the focuses that the aamon will be working on not to mention all across
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Africa South America for instance now that they are going to get uh US Naval
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Base in southern Argentina so in terms of the Edon this is better than
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Christmas in July really they get their uh asset elected
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they get their asset to practically break relations with Brazil and refuse
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to enter bricks uh the asset antagonizes China
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the asset antagonizes Russia and on top of it he you know the the the commander
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of the south Com Laura Laura not Laura the the the Laura of that famous
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Hollywood moviein tyy Laura Richardson goes to wua in southern Argentina and M
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Lake catches a plane to kiss her feet and said okay you're going to open your
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naval military base here anytime darling so you know so and we have
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Ecuador as well so you know it's very easy for the Edon to dist stabilize
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South America which would be a lesson for the Armenians yes you see what
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happens when you are embraced by the hamon willingly or not willingly okay
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here here's what's happened since the 60s you know do a little bit of homework of Latin especially South America as uh
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the backyard of the ad so this would teach the the Armenians a few things about you know uh the West is the next
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big thing no it's not and uh I seriously
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uh I'm really really sorry I I also have a uh let's say an emotional connection
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with Armenia via Armenians that I met since I was a kid in fact and the fact
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that they could have a wonderful pass integrated in the Eurasia economic Union
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having good relations with Russia there's an Armenian diaspora in Russia working in Russia Pro Progressive
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businessman you know very well and and now they're choosing what
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basically Ukraine did in 2014 yeah also antagonizing Anan Iran
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is this is the friendliest the friendliest country for
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for V Armenia you're right exactly well but this was what pashinian
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was supposed to be doing from the beginning right so now he's delivering
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actually this is why he came to power in 20 after the color Revolution and uh
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people now ask me why am I not speaking much about Arman because it's very depressing to speak about Armenia in
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this climate when in 2018 I warned against this color Revolution you get accused of being a conspiracy theorist
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and then I said in 2020 when the war started in karak that he will lose this
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war and then if he loses this war he will lose the buffer zone between Armenia and aeran and then aeran will
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start moving inside Armenia I was yeah and I was called a paranoid but now I
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don't see there is any any barrier left for aaban to occupy Armenia and um the
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national spirit is broken any n any person who believes in Armenian national
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identity is being equated to fascist and fascism you know this uh very cliche
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accusations and uh the government in Armenia has a strong grip over the state
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institutions now pashinyan kicked out all the competent generals officers in he pointed his uh people in the Army in
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the security so in my opinion Armenia is heading toward the very very dark times
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and this is why it's depressing for me because as much as you speak it's not going to change anything what by by
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talking the opposition has to do something about it and they're very weak to do anything about it so I see that
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when the other day the Editor in Chief of RT simonian when she's Armenian and
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she said in five years there may not be Armenia on the map and she received lots
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of backlash about that and I think sometimes she say things but she's probably correct uh people need to
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understand the severity and the severity of the issue if aan or
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turkey attack Armenia Armenians don't have a chance against exact so they need
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a deterrent power who is the deterrent power do they think that the United States will come and fight for them no
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do they think the French would come fight for them no so the alternative
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which was the um the the Russians that have base there they will be kicked out
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soon uh by Armenia so basically you are just shooting yourself in the leg Yeah
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in this in this case which is which is a classic in the in the global South isn't
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it kavor yeah it's it's the story of the global South since the the first wave of
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decolonization in fact yeah everywhere I received a question from an
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audience says Pepe in the middle of may all of Natan Defender 2024 maneuver will
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be all around Russia's borders you think they will still be tempted now after one
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said China will not sit idle and watch um I haven't seen this statement from
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the foreign Ministry of China and um what do you think about it uh this uh
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are they going to do a military maneuver uh in the surroundings of fussia no
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they're testing the waters first first of all because okay uh we can always
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assume that there are some uh NATO generals with the brain not many but there are but there are just like the
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Pentagon there are and some retired ones who have seen who have lived the Cold
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War and remember the Cold War these people uh have much more common sense no
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h they know how NATO is demilitarized uh the national armies
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that compose NATO are a joke apart maybe from Turkey maybe the other ones are an
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absolute joke and and this this is a matter of a discussion now even here in
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in Paris uh and uh and Ukraine of course
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would be the most important NATO Army of them all decimated yeah uh so even if they have what
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100,000 NATO soldiers on the borders of Russia what are they going to do well Russia has Russia can come up with
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another 500,000 which are in the in the
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rear in a Flash if they want to and it's not about number of soldiers about
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weapons and who's got the weapons and who's got the weapons that make a difference it's Russia in a in all
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across the Spectrum and every good military analyst knows that obviously
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not those people in in the Beltway of course so they're testing the waters and
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and obviously they are selling this to uh European public opinion as ah NATO is
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worried about our safety uh we are trying to prevent further instances of
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Russian aggression that's why we have these exercises Etc so basically this is another PR move right
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but of course it's dangerous because when it comes to uh who runs
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NATO this is not the number one ah in the list of priorities this is
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not priority number one priority number one is already shifting towards China yes and everybody knows that not only in
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the B way but depending on the next Administration in Washington and and the
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fact that the neocon who organized the whole thing in Russia
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are not directly related to the push against China but then we have another
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set of neocons but it still is the same thing plus of course a great deal of the
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establishment because the case of china is much more complicated Russia it's not that Russia is going to become the next
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economic superpower tomorrow China is already already the economic superpower
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in the world by PPP and the number one trading partner of virtually the whole
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planet this is already a fact and that for and then we're talking about the
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American establishment you mean the the ru the real ruling class in the US the guys who we can say run the show and
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that's what terrifies them you know said that's much more complicated so we
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should be paying much more attention to the South China Sea in fact as the
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Chinese are doing it all right but the great thing is whatever happens in these
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two different uh nodes of the chessboard the Russia China strategic partnership they
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are gaming all scenarios and the the meeting this week between lav and wangi
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in Beijing and then with lavro and sigining in person Fant you know so this
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is an s ping receives LA and talks to him face to face he doesn't do that with other
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foreign ministers it's only LA and nobody else you know you'll never do this for instance with Janar from India
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never but with LA is another story and the fact that they are coordinating everything for instance between
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yesterday and today we received the confirmation on the record of something
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that in my latest column I just put it in diplomatic
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commas that the Russians and the Iranians are talking all the time about the Iranian response to the attack
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against the Consulate in it's obvious obviously of course you you won't have a
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direct tet admission on on both sides in fact the fact that riabov that this on
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the record today is already extremely important he said we are
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discussing all possible ramification ations with our Iranian colleagues which is a I would say an indirect message to
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the Israelis and the Americans as well yes look whatever you do you won't be attacking Iran you'll be attacking us
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yes as the attack in against uh Iran in
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Damascus was an attack against bricks as well I I made the point of this is very
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clear this is an in terms of an attack on a diplomatic mission protected by the Vienna convention this was an attack on
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everyone that is a member of bricks and the Shanghai operational organization at the same time considering that this is
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an out of control biblical psychotic foolish how foolish is this and how
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foolish is that but they could attack any Embassy or Consulate of any British member tomorrow if they see fit for
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their crazy agenda it is it's it's beyond foolish uh there's only one
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rational explanation for that it's because they want an escalation and they want to drag the Americans into their
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escalation and of course there are still some people with a brain in DC that are saying no we don't need a hot war in
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West Asia in an elal year they some of them got the picture
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the problem is the Frankenstein in West Asia is totally out of control
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especially now that they for all practical purposes on a military level
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and on the point of view of decimating Hamas they already lost and it's obvious to anyone that
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they lost so they need to change the subject and changing the subject of course they up the anti that's what they
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always do and it was not an attack against Hezbollah it was a direct attack against Iran so this is up up in the
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anti up there you know they they never did this before this proves how absolutely desperate they are at the
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moment and that's what that that's what's dangerous for all of us because
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we run the and now of course uh a few days ago uh of course this this was never
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admitted directly but there was a rumor that the Americans were discussing with
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the Iranians indirectly via Switzerland and Via Oman exchanging guarantees look
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if you want to respond to what happened in Damascus it's okay as long as you don't hit our bases and our assets no
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that's not true today we have a different narrative saying that the US
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is fully behind whatever Israel does which is what it was from the begin
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everybody knows that this is what they do so if Israel decides to Counterattack
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a possible Iranian response the Americans will be behind it as well yes and that's what makes it so dangerous
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because now it re it really uh what everybody was fearing this past few
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months this thing cannot extrapolate towards a regional War now we are in
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front of it right Pepe you you mentioned the United States is also behind this attack I just
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want to screen this article uh because you're 100% correct and this is not from
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an Iranian report or this is from the is Israel coordinates and gets approval
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from us on some Syria some yeah I mean I
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mean they do they do coordinate with the this was from 2022 they do coordinate
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because the Americans have forces there and sometimes the Americans even um activate their jamming technology in
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alternative water crossing to Blind the Syrian Radars exactly they they're
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cooperating together this is not only an Israeli attack this is also an American particip in an attack on a sovereign um
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Embassy on an embassy of a Sovereign Nation on a sovereign in the third country of a Sovereign Nation this is
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beyond imagination what what what they have done I I just want to mention a few things because you said this is an
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attack on bricks and just be two days before the Russian offensive on uh
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Ukraine the Russian defense minister was in Syria yes and if I want to interpret
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it from my point of view I don't know know what happened there but I would argue and say that speculate that the
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Russian defense minister said you have to hold your grounds now in Syria you're at the Forefront of this hold your
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grounds there and now the foreign minister of uh Iran abdan was in
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Damascus and he from Damascus he said that they're going to punish uh Israel
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so this is going this is this is like in a group of nations are coordinating
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their actions and actions and this is unprecedented people need to see the bigger picture here how these countries
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are cooperating between each other against uh one enemy and that is the
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United States and here Israel is part in my opinion it's just a part of this
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bigger game and it's part of the Empire so you see that Israel is acting like um
48:48
when when the dinosaurs were demising and at the end of the day they're just
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with fire trying to kill everyone and before before they extinct and I I only
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mean the political entity of Israel I believe that Hamas attack was the timing
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was not uh a coincidence like when Russia was achieving victories in
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Ukraine and the Americans are no more able to finance the war in the way they used to finance it in in in the first
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year and they see that the Americans are printing money to sustain this war now second war in the Middle East will drain
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the United States completely and they dragged Israel into very very costly War
49:34
here and now the Americans have to see which war they have to invest in it's
49:40
either in Ukraine or in the Middle East right and they chose now the Middle East
49:45
and they're losing big time that's a strategic war in Ukraine and they're going to lose now what what Hamas and
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hisbah have done in this war also Iran and Syria and the Yemen
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they actually destroyed the pillars of Israel what was what are the pillars of Israel one of
50:03
which is it's a safe haven for the Jewish people around the world it's no more a safe hav AA of invincibility as
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well exactly so Israel lost its deterrence and that's why they are bombing the hell out of Gaza but this
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will not restore deterrence and the enemies of Israel have become so
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emboldened especially on the front of hisbah on thei for examp example front
50:27
that the Israelis do not have the military capability to strike a decisive
50:33
Victory against them I mean what is stopping Israel from going to war into Lebanon in the past they were cruising
50:40
in Lebanon in the morning they wake up and they want to go to Lebanon in the afternoon they are already uh past half
50:47
of Lebanon in the 80s in the 90s what is stopping them now from going into war
50:52
against Lebanon they know it's going to be much worse than 2006 it's going to be they know they're going to be devastated
50:59
and this is something that I I saw for myself Kor when I visited that border
51:06
the southern Lebanon border all the way to the tri border where you are on the hills and you are you are in southern
51:13
Lebanon you have occupied Palestine on the other side of the fence and you have the the Syrian mountains on your left so
51:20
when I was there I I I you look at the geography and you talk to the local
51:26
people in local villages in southern Liber you understand everything uh it's
51:32
it's I would say it's a sort of mirror image of dombas you know you you don't
51:37
mess with this people not to mention that they are armed to the hilt they will defend every inch of the territory
51:45
uh there is a a network of defenses all over the Israelis don't stand a chance
51:52
if they try uh it's great to see it in front of you because then you have the
51:57
you have the feel of the land as well and the feeling in the air as well so uh
52:02
they know that this uh which is ridiculous they are always saying ah we're going to expel H
52:09
Hezbollah 50 kilometers North all the way to the Lan River it's a not
52:16
even everybody knows it's stupid but push them away 50 k from the EXA exactly
52:25
so uh but Iran is a completely different story because Iran we get into the realm
52:32
of uh an absolutely crazy Obsession then then it it's a
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psychopathological phenomenon in fact that you know real men go remember real men go to thean at the time of ramsfield
52:46
and chain right yeah which was almost a it's crazy almost 20 years ago they were
52:51
talking about this in 2005 2006 almost 20 years ago but this is the mindset of
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the neocons and the zons real men go to thean and that's the way they
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interpreted this is their opening now okay we attack their conly they're going to respond and then we attack their
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nuclear installations which by the way they're all buried and they don't even know where they are and the Americans are going to help us this is the way
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they think today there was an article in the
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New York Times I believe that they say that Iran has enriched uranium to extent that they can now develop tree nuclear
53:29
weapons I don't know how accurate yeah I read that it's also [ __ ] because this is
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speculative everything that they say is speculative yeah they don't have inside int they don't have inside Intel uh for
53:43
instance in Teran in that nuclear plant in Isfahan for instance they don't have it they don't
53:50
know yes go ahead go ahead no I I know but uh it's very hard to strike uh an
53:58
auspicious uh tone in the middle of we're talking about Doom and Gloom seral
54:04
Doom and Gloom right yeah I mean I can I can listen to you forever um and this is
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uh but I have to ask you the last question I I I want to know I want to know if you agree with this notion
54:17
because Iran will respond definitely it there is no way that they will respond
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and the complicated thing is that has to be so it's such a complex decision kavor
54:31
it has to be carefully calculated strong
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decisive uh rational at the same time and of course they cannot lose face if it's not strong
54:45
enough and they they cannot go overboard because then yes all bats are off so you
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can imagine how difficult it is and now especially because they put put their
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hands on the table because ayat himself already said there will be a response
55:02
inside Israel you think the response it's a very good question I I would say
55:08
that they would calculate to do it outside of Israel to minimize the
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response so this this would be symmetrical if it's outside of Israel if
55:19
it's inside of Israel then we have hardcore Hot War right away I mean the
55:26
Iranians are already if you see it from uh objective lens they are achieving
55:31
slow but very effective uh achievements in the region and if you see it from the
55:38
20 to 30 years from now Iran is going to overcome the influence of the Americans
55:43
and the Israelis in the region by playing a very let's say patient Chase
55:49
uh chess with with the with the enemies they don't need to go to war and rush into war NASA said that we we win over
55:57
the enemy probably without even uh fighting against him in a direct war and this is the what they call the Strategic
56:03
patience so I trully agree with you that they don't want to go into direct war against Israel and give them the um
56:09
again the justification to retaliate and then another retaliation and the Americans come but let's see I mean it's
56:16
going to be in this probably in this two weeks and I don't think it will be um very far away from now and it's going to
56:23
be very interesting to see that why ABD also came to uh Damascus to coordinate
56:29
is it going to be on the golen heights probably because golen Heights is considered Syrian territory it's Syrian
56:35
territory very very important that that would be I would say if we have a list
56:41
of a top three of uh best return for investment I would put number one col
56:47
heights yeah yeah me too I'm of course no especially because the resonance
56:54
around West Asia would be enormous and for public opinion
56:59
everywhere in West Asia and in the middle of the aess of resistance as well
57:04
will be massive massive but all that uh um kavor very important General San yeah
57:14
he thought it all out I never see to be
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impressed and you know this is something that they told me in southern Lebanon
57:24
the last time I was there that his that nazala looked at solman like this you
57:31
know he had immense respect to Sol money as a strategist and a long-term
57:37
strategist and it's not by accident that the Gen the irgc general that was killed
57:43
in Damascus he was implementing soloney I said he was a sort of soloney 2.0 yes
57:50
it's not an an an accident as well so you you can see how dangerous for Israel
57:58
this guy was yes okay it doesn't matter if you kill him and it doesn't matter if
58:04
you killed soy because the process that was designed by solmani yeah keeps going
58:10
on exactly as you described it it's a slowly boiling the my friends from the
58:16
cradle in Beirut they brilliantly described it slowly boiling the
58:22
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know with you and they no I'm just alone so that's the beauty of independent why we scar them kavor yeah
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it is a scary in my opinion that's why also scary exactly because we have initiative uh you know we have our
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why I created this channel because they Sorry [ __ ] my country have the country was destroyed and I wanted to tell the
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the people the truth about what's happening and then in Ukraine in Taiwan in uh Afghanistan around the world Pepe
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this was an amazing chat with you I really appreciate you dedicated this time we hads of people watching us live
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