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why do you refuse to condemn Hamas when in fact you know it's actually so easy to do that and there are there are
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repercussions for not playing that game I'm not passing judgment on Hamas because
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Hamas For Better or For Worse ended up being the only resistance
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organization that expressed this Duty not right but duty of the people of Gaza
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of the people of Palestine generally to bring down the wall I want ask you about
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um the European left intelligencia give me Donald Trump anytime give me a
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fascist seriously you know I want to see the enemy uh to look who stares at me
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and says you know you shouldn't have the right to exist I'm going to wipe you
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out that that that you know I can handle that I cannot handle comrades who are um
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out of spinelessness they they crave the appreciation of the people who are
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complicit in the genocide of Palestinians and that is worse for me is
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a worse failure moral failure than being his
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Hest hello everyone I'm ran cic and this is dispatches as the genocide in Gaza
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accelerates it's clear that the depths of Israeli and US depravity know no
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bounds no matter what Israel does whether intentionally killing Aid workers or summarily executing doctors
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at hospitals in Gaza the media covers it up with pared claims about a Hamas
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presence while us spokespeople harp on the tired talking point about the need
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to protect Israel's security Above All Else and the Europeans either applaud
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their us Masters or shrug as if totally powerless to stop their settler vassel
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State joining me to discuss this and more is jannis veracis Economist
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political leader for for Greek Finance Minister and the author of many books including his latest techn feudalism
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what killed capitalism he's also co-founder of the international Grassroots movement
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dm25 and a professor of Economics at the University of Athens but before we jump
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into it this is just part of this episode the full interview is available to breakthrough news members only you
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you can also donate Below on YouTube Giannis barakus welcome to the
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show well thank you very much for having me well it's such a pleasure to have you on I really appreciate you making the
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time and I you know I think I just want to jump right into uh uh what I think is a good place to start and that is what
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recently took place um with the destruction of shiffa Hospital Hospital in Gaza and the killing of those seven
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Aid workers with the world Central Kitchen in Gaza by the Israelis we're going to talk about some other
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tangentially related things but just you know very briefly what are your thoughts on these latest atrocities because it
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does feel like every day you think it can't get worse and Israel does
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something worse indeed uh the the greatest worry I
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have with every such atrocity beyond the fact that I can't sleep at night the thought that all these crimes against
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humanity are being perpetrated in my name uh in the name of um citizens of
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Europe in the name of the West to which for better of awar I supposedly belong
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uh my greatest worry is the process of desensitizing public
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opinion uh because with the escalation of the death doll of the kill rate by
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the F uh it's really very hard to keep up the pace of one's
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outrage uh in conjunction prata with the
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actual outrage and so it's so very easy for people say oh well so how many people were killed today in in what
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hospital only 50 oh okay well yesterday 60 were killed so this process of
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desensitizing public opinion uh I have no doubt that it's um it's an
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intricate part of the strategy of um the Israeli warmongers of the ones who are
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actually planning those atrocities these atrocities are not accidents they are not the result of some Rogue Israeli
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kernel um making decisions on the ground this is a strategy and uh in conjunction
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with the toxic hypocrisy coming from Washington from Berlin from London from
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Athens uh it I I I suffocate I I personally
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feel I'm suffocating I that's a really good way to put it and I like the idea the word
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toxic hypocrisy um it really is just completely stunning and you know Yannis one thing that I want to to ask you
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about specifically is you know after just a few days I think after October 7th you did something I really
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appreciated and that is in an interview you refus to play the game of condemning
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Hamas and you have continued to refuse to play play that game um you even said and I'm quoting you the criminals here
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are not Hamas the criminals are Europeans and the reason that I appreciated this uh so much is because
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across the political Spectrum in the global North right after October 7th uh everybody was full of condemnation for
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Hamas condemnation for oober S you know even in some cases if they have expressed sympathy for uh with
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Palestinians so I'm curious you know nearly six months into this why do you
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refuse to condemn Hamas when in fact you know it's actually so easy to do that and there are there are repercussions
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for not playing that game because I've been to Gaza I've been
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to rala I have seen the infrastructure of aparte I've seen the long cues of
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Palestinians being ritually humiliated I have seen the uh the open
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prison camp concentration camp that is Gaza and therefore I know in my bones
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that any people who have been placed under such conditions for such a very
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long time have a duty to themselves to bring down the wall to quote Roger
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Waters and Pink Floyd you know to bring down the bloody wall uh in
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war as part of the Geneva conven ion it's a recogn recognized duty of
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prisoners of War to escape what about 2 million people who have been
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encased behind bed wire whose children were malnourished before the 7th of
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October 60% of kids according to the United Nations were malnourished before the the 7th of October who have no right
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to travel who have no right to dream they their airport was tore up by the
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Israeli Army there is no Port uh it Netanyahu himself himself made a point
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that we will keep them hungry but not to the level of famine he was saying that for years before the 7th of October
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uh the people who find themselves in that situation would not be human if they didn't try to bring down that wall
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now I'm not passing judgment on Hamas because Hamas For Better or For Worse ended up
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being the only resistance organization that expressed this Duty
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not right but duty of the people of Gaza of the people of Palestine generally to
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bring down the wall do I agree with Hamas it doesn't matter it is irrelevant
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because you see the there is this truth reversal here uh allow me to share with
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you a shocking conversation I had last Thursday with a German uh quite
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wellknown politician I'm not at Liberty to to mention his name because there was private conversation but he's somebody
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high up in the esad The Social Democratic party in the German government uh who had the
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audacity uh he went beyond accusing me of being a Hamas sympathizer he he he
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effectively um referred to me as somebody who was
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sympathizing with the Nazis that's a that's a Social Democrat in the German government and his argument was this he
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said look he said I'm German now why are you as a Greek kicking and screaming
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about tens of thousands of Palestinian children being killed and at that point
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my boil my blood started boiling and he said I'm German I condone the fact that
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hundreds of thousands of children in Germany were killed by the Allies in the
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context of defeating Hitler so you see what happens here here's a German condoning The Killing tens of hundreds
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of thousands of German children and by that justifying the tens of thousands of
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Palestinian children who are being killed by making the association Nazis
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Gaza which is the most monstrous truth reversal in the history of the last 300
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years because essentially the victims who are the
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Palestinians of ethnic cleansing of um a racial
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racialized Teran nullius project of treating them as nonhuman before they
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were ethnically cleansed beginning with a NABA in 1948 the victims are being
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presented as the Nazis so the condemnation of Hamas is
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part of this truth reversal because when I said to him you know I was trying to keep my cool right and I said to him at
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some point you you're part of a government that believes in the two-state solution yes yes well you are
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aiding and abetting the Prime Minister Mr Netanyahu and the whole cabal everybody who is in that government and
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every and you know many guns who will replace him if somebody replaces him uh
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who do not believe in the two-state solution who reson the whole point of
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their existence they came to this world to kill the two- State Solution that's what they did after the Palestinians
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mistakenly as it turns out went through the oso Accords and you know the Palestinian Authority and the
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PLO recognized Israel Israel never recognized pal Palestine they recognized
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the pillow uh what did Ariel shiron and then
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bamin Netanyahu set out to do to kill off any chances of a two-state solution
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and you supporting H and why why is Hamas a topic of discussion because Netanyahu
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succeeded in killing off the two-state solution yeah in 1992 Hamas was
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irrelevant so the direction of causality the the relation between cause and effect is Netanyahu and his cabal killed
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off the two- State solution and that gave rise to Hamas and here is the German government
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saying that because there is Hamas there can be no two-state solution you see you have truth reversal after truth truth
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rever reveral and who was the the author
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the guru of Truth reversal Joseph gibles he very proud of
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them yes and his uh I guess his uh the people who are like him today are like
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Matt Miller and these spokes people at the state department watching them drives me crazy but you know I think
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this goes into another point that I've often seen you make Giannis which is uh it's about the timeline this truth
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reversal you're talking about it's also when began like what began when right um
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it's not just that it didn't start on October 7th but Israel's supporters are excellent at starting the timeline
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whenever it's most convenient to their narrative and it's something the US does very well too they have to you know they
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have to take land for their security to prevent another October 7th from happening but they'll just pretend it wasn't you know all a result of the fact
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that they've been stealing This Land since even before 1948 and then you know they do the same thing with Lebanon as
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well they'll say oh like his B is in Lebanon so the fact that it exists is why they have to bomb Lebanon but they
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bombed Lebanon before hisb existed and that's actually why hisb exists umed
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it's such a convenient narrative and I I I'm I guess I'm just adding to what you're saying but I like the idea of
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calling it truth reversal another thing I'm curious if I can get your your comment on here is it's always portrayed
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in this this um and this like discussion about Israel security right Israel
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security and American and Western interests we're you know what I'm beginning to not beginning to understand
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what I've always understood is that the Middle East is not safe it's not secure
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with the existence of a settler Colony here like that's the problem and it just
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comes to the idea of like how come the security of Palestinians and the people in this region don't matter it's always
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about Israel's security well that's the the result of the manner
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in which Israel was put together uh and you know speaking of
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when did the whole thing begin well it began with anti-Semitism in Europe uh we
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Europeans carried out pogram after pogam against the Jews it wasn't in Israel or
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Palestine it wasn't just in Jerusalem um the Jews living Jerusalem next to
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Palestinians lived in Perfect Harmony compared to the life of Jews in Odessa
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in uh uh Berlin in in Spain from where the Catholics um chucked them out and
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they ended up where where did they have besides Jerusalem where did the Jews
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find some Sanctuary it was in Thessaloniki gree's Second City and in
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Constantinople in Istanbul hello hello hello in the otoman Empire that's where the Jews had uh you know the the
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greatest amount of security it was in Eastern Europe in Britain in Central Europe in southern Europe in my country
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I at some point my grandmother when I was you know 10 11 12 she was telling me
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the stories about how in her Village they would burn the Jew not an effuge of the Jew but anti-Semitism was rampant
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throughout Europe so that's where it began uh and you know we went from pogram to pog them to the Holocaust that
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had nothing to do with the Palestinians with the Lebanese with the Arabs absolutely zero to do with that H and
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then what started as the white supremacist ideology of the British
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Empire because remember and I was in Australia two or three weeks ago and uh
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I had the opportunity of addressing the national press club with all the press in cber in the capital of the uh the
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federal capital of of Australia I said to them folks remember how it all started here in Australia when Captain
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Cook representing the British Empire came to botony Bay and proclaimed Australia to be tanus an an empty land
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essentially he looked at all the abor and he said these are not humans it's an
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empty land uh what how did Zionism set foot in uh in in Palestine under the
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slogan the vile slogan land without a people for a people without the land now
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where did they where did they get this from they didn't conjure it up from thin air it's the British Empire Teran logic
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which they they practice in Kenya they practiced in South Africa okay the
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natives are not humans therefore we can shoot them okay remember in Australia um the
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natives acquired uh um Civic rights in
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1967 1967 so there's a long tradition of white settler suprem supremacism and
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Zionism simply copied that and with the help of the British the balur
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Declaration initially and then of course the United States they created a state
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which is the equivalent of white supremacism and it's saying it's a land without the people and we will take your
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land nakba so the moment you say that these are other people that's the beginning of genocide Teran nus is the
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commencement of genocide and people who actually um commit genocide know that
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they're doing it it's not an accident like the bombs that killed the humanitarian
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workers now in Gaza they were intentional and anybody who kills people
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and throws them of their land feels insecure because immediately he thinks
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and usually he if I have done this to them their descendants will want to do
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it to me so when they talk about Israeli security they talking about their
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insecurity from the fact that they understand that they have committed war crimes and they've committed ethnic
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cleansing so it is impossible to have in Israeli State security Israel as a
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Jewish state for it to be secure without completing the genocide of the
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Palestinians so anybody who talks about the need to preserve the Israeli security talks about completing the
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genocide of Palestinians let's be clear about that and I wish they were clear about that because you know I recognize
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a villain who is honest yeah you got to at least
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appreciate the honesty to some degree I want to ask you about um the European
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left intelligencia um has has the European left intelligencia taken a good position
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a bad position I mean we I know that with Russia NATO Ukraine uh it hasn't
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been the greatest um has that been the same with Gaza and I'm sure it's you know different across
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country so I don't want to you know put make a blanket statement about the entire European left but what has been
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your perception of the position people have been taking on Gaza as an indication of my view on this
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let me tell you that uh in in a few weeks short weeks in at the beginning of
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June we have the European Parliament election and I will be a candidate amongst other members of my movement
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across Europe uh I'm telling you now that if I get elected I will refuse to belong to the
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European left grouping in Brussels they have disgraced
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themselves uh my CS former CS in Berlin
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delink the local left party uh they have a long tradition and I'm I've been
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friends with them and comrades for as long as I remember um there is the Rosa Luxembourg
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Center in uh the center of former East Berlin which is a great Foundation
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they've done remarkable work over the decades uh immediately after the 7th of October they bound the Palestinian
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author from um uh addressing an audience on the basis that she's Palestinian and
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that and this is not a good time to have a Palestinian in the Rosa I mean poor Rosa Luxemburg she must be spinning at
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5,000 revs in her grave that they should be doing this uh and generally you know
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you mentioned that before first they condemn Hamas then they talk about the right the importance of providing
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Israeli security then they say but at the same time Palestinians matter as well uh which is um you know give me
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Donald Trump anytime give me a fascist seriously you know I want to see
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the enemy uh to look who stares at me and says you know you shouldn't have the
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right to exist I'm going to wipe you out that that that you know I can handle
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that I cannot handle comrades who are um out of spinelessness because they're not
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bad people they're just they're just too scared that you know de spigel or Lemont
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or um you know Z taon is going to write about them what they write about me that
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I a Jew hating crazy who's destroyed Grace and whatever you know they they
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crave the appreciation of the people who are complicit in the genocide of
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Palestinians and that is worse for me is a worse failure moral failure than being
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a Zionist you know if you want to be a Zionist being Zionist let's then we can have an interesting conversation and a
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clash but don't pretend to be on the side of the good and be a humanist Lefty when you're doing that and but then you
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know allow me to express my very great disappointment over my own kind the left
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uh because there is the other side as well there are leftists who tragically
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Veer towards anti-Semitism to say oh what do you expect from the Jews the moment I hear that you know my hair
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stands on end because that is racist that's anti-semite that's Nazi there's no such thing as the Jews any sentence
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beginning the Jews are like that is fascist uh it's you know it's like saying the Palestinians are there's so
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much difference of opinion among Palestinians you can say the Palestinians are being uh victims of genocide but you can't say that the the
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Palestinians think this way because I you know I I have five Palestinian friends they have 20 different opinions
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amongst themselves uh so and also on the on on the front of Ukraine because I
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personally think that that Vladimir Putin is a very vile character I mean I was with Jeremy Corbin my comrade in
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England we demonstrated in 2001 2001 When Vladimir Putin was the the the
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favorite son of the West in Moscow Moscow and they supported him to the hilt uh we was demonstrating over the
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murder of 250,000 chin in gry right
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so no love lost for Vladimir Putin my I have friends who are in prison in Russia
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for not for resisting Putin so Putin is a is is a criminal I have no doubt about
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that but at the same time NATO have created him he's a creation of the
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United States of America they crushed the Russian people after 1991 they
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reduced life expectancy amongst men from 78 to 54 years of age there's never been
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such a reduction in life expectancy in any country even at War and that was a policy of the United States uh to
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completely squeeze destroy financially the the people of Russia and and then to
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squeeze to keep breaking their promises to to go to Y and so on keep pushing
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NATO towards Moscow until that the combination of the humiliation of the Russian people and the milit the NATO
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expansion created Putin this is how if you humiliate the people and and you squeeze them and
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that's how Hitler was born it was a result of the humiliation of the German people by the Allies after the first world war and they're squeezing so this
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is what they've done so I would have liked the left to say neither Puttin or NATO to say we want peace and they this
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war in Ukraine will have no winners except you know hundreds of thousands of
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dead people and lots of starving people in Africa and Asia because of the effect the indirect effect of this war on
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fertilizer prices on wheat prices on corn prices and all that and the left
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what what they do the left has in Europe been divided 90% of it is NATO is a
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a Liberation movement which is absurd and the other 10% are prop Putin and
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some of us are say who are saying neither neither why do I have to take sides between two criminal organizations
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yeah we are we've been squeezed a tiny tiny minority of
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leftists yeah I know it's really it's really unfortunate that that's the uh parameters of the of the debate I guess
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I would put it um um I wanted to ask you in particular there's not even a debate
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oh no not even a debate not even a debate that's just the parameters of what exists um it sounds actually uh
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worse than the US in the US I think there's um a bit more maybe not in the mainstream media but in general speaking
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on the left there's much more Nuance around the issue of NATO but I I think we're also separated from all of that by
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geography so Russia can't be uh portrayed as the same kind of you know
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monstrous threat the way it is uh in the European context um but I wanted to ask
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you specifically about Germany uh because Germany seems like its own its
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own monster um I first I want to I want to show a clip that I'm sure you've seen But just to remind you and the audience
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I'm sure you saw this yanis this is a German journalist asking a question to Franchesca albanes the uh un special
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repor on the occupied Palestinian territories who recently wrote a report
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uh laying out the case uh uh that Israel is in fact carrying out a genocide in Gaza and I I want to show his question
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and you're quoting U the president of Israel the Prime Minister the defense
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minister and uh some uh top militaries um but these are only quotes
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uh given in speeches or in other circumstances I would like i' like to
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ask you do you have a written document by the government which with a clear
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intent to commit
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genocide do you think that in Rwanda and in Bosnia heroina any government
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officials wrote wrote a document saying I want to commit
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genocide have you seen anything like that Al I'll answer this for you no it
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doesn't work like that there is those okay so I'm going to stop it there but I
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do encourage people to go see the rest of that video but I thought that was important to play just to kind of segue
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into Germany because what's wrong with that guy why are just why are Germans like this what's going on in Germany um
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you know I don't think even Hitler you can correct me if I'm wrong I don't even think Hitler ever you know like maybe he
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did did he write down in a document I am committing genoci side against the Jews and then all of these other groups um so
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yeah can you please lay out for our audience from your understanding what is wrong with Germany why are they like
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this when it comes to Israel well I think
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that at least 1,000 phds in Psychology
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are going to be written about this in the next 100 years uh you know the
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academic uh departments in universi specializing psychology are going to have their work cut out for
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them so allow me my own non psychologist psychological theory um what happened in
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Germany is that there's been a combination
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of a justifiable Collective guilt over the the Holocaust if I were ger I mean I
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feel that guilt as a Greek because it's it's wrong to put it all on the Germans
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M because let's not forget that we we had Greek Nazis we had cro Nazis we had sub Nazis sometimes you know the the
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Greek and the croat Nazis were nastier to the Jews than the German Nazis were their reports of German Nazis uh pulling
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their hair out at the cruelty towards Jews by the cro Nazis so it's not just Germans right but the Germans
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understandably and justifiably have a deep-seated uh sense of guilt over the
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Holocaust at the same time I don't believe that Germany ever properly
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densified they claim they have densified they have banned Nazi symbols they have
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banned any party that I mean all the other day the football national team
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banned the number 44 on the back of the vests because the the fours look like
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very much like s's you know so 44 looks like SS so they they've done all that
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but they never had a proper convers ation about you know how was it that
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such a civilized cultured well educated population managed to you know be
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trapped in Nazism and to commit those uh uh monstrous crimes in the 1940s before
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that 1930s and 40s and they never had this conversation properly the result of
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the collective guilt the formal disavowal of everything that they had
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done in the 1930s and and and and 40s with the fact that they never had a proper conversation about what led to
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Nazism and what was naism really it wasn't just some cult that took off and
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you it wasn't some weed that they smoked and then they all went crazy for 10 years and then they recovered there was
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there were other things happening for a very long time there uh so this
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combination the incomplete dentification with the incomplete discussion and the
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collective guilt has led the vast majority of Germans to uh swap their racist
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nationalism for Ultra Ultra Zionism so the Germans today are uh they
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are anti-nationalist they are more pro-european than the French than the Italians because they want to lose
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themselves in Europe they want to forget that they're German and lose themselves in Europe because they want to go away from this nationalism but something has
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to take over and replace as a bond between them the nationalism that they are giving away and that's Zionism so
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ALR Zionism as well so when Angela Mel got up and said the
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reson the rationale of Germany is the support and the security of the state of
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Israel I think that's what she was doing she say that well we cannot talk about German nationalism not even patriotism
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you know progressives in German don't want to talk about patriotism because that reminds him of Hitler uh but it's
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easy to replace one nationalism for another so in the same way very stupid but I think quite comical allegory when
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Thatcher privatized British electricity you know she sold it to a
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French nationalized company so the their own Nation um privatized British
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electricity similarly in the case of Germany they are taking somebody else's
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white supremacist ideology Zionism and they replace it for their own at least
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that's that's my theory by the way that's a good one let me your your your um kindness to plug
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for meta 25 meta 25 is a political party here in Greece but it is also a political party in Germany we are the
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only party that has a Greek party and a German party and an Italian party and
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we're going to run in the election in June under Mera 25 on a platform of
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turning around the German poity from Zionism towards supporting
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Palestinian rights and towards supporting a disentanglement of Germany from
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NATO wow I actually think there there's a huge base that would really really
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support that uh across Europe they just don't have any representation anywhere
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so I really look forward to seeing that I was going to ask you since you brought it up um that's a huge platform I mean
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that's like a huge part of the party's platform but what else does it stand for oh um firstly we we we we we do believe
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that uh re-energizing the anti-war movement is essential not just against War but also against the militarization
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of our economies very recently the president of the European Union Council suggested that Europe must try to
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reindustrialize through developing its own milit Industrial complex which is just remarkable uh just remarkable the
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second thing is uh uh for the purposes of spreading dignity across Europe uh we
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believe that the European Central Bank should fund a basic income for all Europeans uh not through taxation but
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directly through the European Central Bank this sounds a bit like a technical issue but let me put it this way um in
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the last um 8 years the European Central Bank has printed 11 trillion EUR on
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behalf of the financiers what we're saying is that it should print five trillion EUR um in order to support the
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people who deserve uh to live in some dignity in the richest continent in the
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world and the third that the the costs of the EUR of the of the climate crisis
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of the climate emergency of the climate catastrophe must not be borne by the poor these are the three planks with
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which we're running across Europe well that sounds wonderful and I look forward to seeing the results of
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that and then since we're on the topic of your political party um what do you think I mean is are those are those
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points lacking in your in the former party you were involved in in Greece uh CA which I believe now has you can
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correct me if I'm wrong the leader of this party is a is a banker connected to the US is that correct can
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I enhance your uh apoplexy by that not
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only she I mean I don't mind people being connected to the US I could be n chumsky right I mean n chsky Wasing
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happy now the problem is that this particular gentleman and his CV has two words that should make well I don't have
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any he to stand on end but you do Goldman
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Sach he he an alumnus of Goldman
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Sachs need I add more no I mean a hot bed of leftist of
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leftist radicalization but you see what this shows is this the the party that I joined in 2015 with
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which I ran was elected Member of Parliament then I became Finance Minister of that first government for
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six months or so uh that party was a wonderful party I mean our if you look
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at the platform everything I said to you before was part of that platform and more it connected to the movements it
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was a party that grew up from the Grassroots initially we were at 4% and
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we were shot up to 40% as a result of the innan handling of the terrible Greek
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and European financial crisis by the financiers and by the oligarchs uh and
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we succeeded it was one of those few very rare occasions when a Grassroots party uh gets elected and gets elected
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with against the grain of the interest of the oligarchs of the bankers of the of NATO off off off we even had the
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platform for getting out of NATO right so if you did the text and they were
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they were they were part and parcel of the DNA of the people who supported us the people who supported us were brilliant and prop Palestinian and so on
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and so forth and but that is a very good case study in how the rot starts from
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the head and goes towards the bottom to the tail because once the Prime Minister
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my dear friend and comrade at the time uh essentially surrendered during that
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Clash we had with uh the representatives the troa as we call them the representatives of of the worst of the
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finances around the world and you know the Berlin government and so on he
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surrendered and he surrendered right at the moment when remember it was a party
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that started 4% we had gone up to 36 40% and then six months later during this clash with the tra uh we had a
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referendum and we we won 62% so the people of Greece went came you know sort
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of came to the party they they they they embraced us they supported us heroically
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even though you know think about it they had shut down their at ATMs our ATMs had
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been shut down by the bars that be in Frankfurt in order to uh blackmail the Greek people not support us and they
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support us with 62% on that night of the referendum it was 5th of July 2015 I
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would never I would go to my grave with that uh date etched in my heart
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um he surrendered and I he I spent three hours in his office after midnight
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trying to convince him to disuade him I failed then I resigned and then what
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happens is this just this is a great lesson for me the moment you surrender on the big things then you surrender on
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the small things or the smaller things very soon after that you know the
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electricity system grid was split up and given away to oligarchs
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within six months he was hugging Netanyahu and signing deals for oil Dr
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Drilling and gas drilling and pipelines connecting Israel to Cyprus to Greece
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thankfully none of that happened but the the deal was there and now Greece is a great supporter of the apide State uh
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which you can't blame it on the current government which is a very rightwing government but it was our government the one that I just resigned from that
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initiated it and then from that moment onward everything everything breaks down and you know as I said the rot sets in
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and that's why some of us had to create another party yeah it's a horrible cycle that just continues and that I want to
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bring into it um some ideas from your from your latest book on techn feudalism
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the end of capitalism um and that title you know it kind of gives the impression at least to socialists like me that yay
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it's the end of capitalism um but don't get excited guys because actually what
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you're arguing is that it's morphed into something even worse where we're all in service to these you know feudal Tech
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Lords um so can you explain to to our audience what you mean by techn feudalism and then and it's not because
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I want to make everything about Gaza it's just I think that this actually plays into it a bit um I'm just curious
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if after explaining the idea behind techn feudalism um if you could bring it
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back to Gaza in the sense that that you know these Tech overlords are in fact in charge of the social media mechanisms
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that we all are getting our information from right now and we were watching a live stream genocide happen on their platforms where they have the capability
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of really cating and even censoring uh content on Israel's behalf yes well to
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begin with I I'll I'll take as my Q what you said that techn feudalism is not
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something to celebrate it's something worse than capitalis much worse than capital that's that that's not entirely my idea
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um I mentioned Rosa Luxenberg before but I will do it again was it not Rosa who
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said from her cell from her prison cell that the world is facing a dilemma
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Socialism or barbarism not capitalism if we don't succeed in creating socialism
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out of capitalism we are going to end up with barbarism well that's where we are if you enjoyed this episode and want to
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